The Psychosemantic Podcast

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it's really cool to be finally like talking talking with you you know online i mean this is less than in person but this is more in person than we've ever talked before that's true

To everybody, we've probably already in the recording, like I said, when I met you, you were David Michigan Garrett. Yes.

Michigan is gone. Yeah. As far as I know. Yes. That was a, well, that was my college nickname because when I came to Ohio state, there was two Davids in our dorm. And so.

being from Michigan that ended up becoming a nickname. And that was one of the biggest hassles I've ever had with social media was getting that removed from my, like the name just because I was like, this is so long. I don't want this in here anymore.

hardly any of my friends call me that anymore. So I was like, you know what, let's just, let's, let's, let's change this. And it was hard to get rid of it. I feel like Facebook, especially it was.

cracking down on drag kings and queens left and right and trans people left and right who had legal documentation that their names were different. They're like, no, you have to be this. And they wouldn't let you take Michigan out of your name.

Yeah, well, part of it was, I think...

some of it was because of like the Instagram and Facebook, like they kind of merged the like account center. So like my Instagram didn't have it in there at all. And then my Facebook one did. So it was such a matter of like,

figuring out how to get in there to get it finally changed and i think i had to like escalate it up as like a complaint before they finally removed it and i was like this isn't even my legal name uh well let's see

I got your name introduced. What else do I? Oh, well, I mentioned your podcast. Is everything under the journey with a cinephile banner? I know you do some stuff alone, some stuff with the missus.

Um, yeah, everything is under that one. I kind of took a little bit of a page out of like when, um,

like beau did all that where he put everything under like his stuff under like the i think it was like a dark parade is what he called it and then like duncan kind of doing that i was like you know what that's gonna be the easiest thing instead of

creating a few different threads for all of the different shows. But yeah, the one that I do, like my main show, and then obviously I have my one with my wife where we are running through Johnny Depp films right now. That's under it.

Did you ever watch Where the Buffalo Roam? I know you brought it up in the one with Rum Diary. Yeah.

i haven't yet i own that one i've owned it since like college where i was in this weird kick where if there were like other what if imdb had like sequels or prequels or anything so i own it i just haven't gotten to it yet um but that is definitely one that

I want to check out just because it seems just so different from those two movies. Yeah. I would say it's closer to fear and loathing. Okay. But it's, it's not as surreal.

Well, I still am, but when I was in college, when I first started at OSU, I was a journalism major. Okay. And I was really into Hunter Thompson. Yeah.

And so I did a lot of papers on him, and that's when I first watched Where the Buffalo Roam. And that's based mostly off of Fear and Loathing at the Super Bowl. Okay.

which I think that was in the early 70s was when he went to that one.

and yeah you you were right bill murray does play him i forget who plays uh oscar his uh as your attorney guy that del toro played but right character's also in it okay

Yeah, I won't say anymore because you like to go into things pretty blank, too. Yeah, that's fair. So, yeah. Anyway, I interrupted you. Oh, you. Oh, no, you're fine. Johnny Depp back catalog. You did. Yes.

Yeah, that's where I cut you off. Yeah, because I know the next one as of right now, we already actually have, it actually comes out.

as of what we're recording this it'll come out the next day so it'll be that's the october episode we are doing um lucky them which we sometimes run into issues where he's not in the movie very long but

I will kind of give a little thing is that my wife enjoyed that. Cause it's kind of like a romantic comedy that stars Tony Collette. Oh, but it's more on like the drama and it's,

actually it's um thomas hayden church is the guy who's kind of like the other lead in that one and then we have that paired up with transcendence so we're actually it doesn't they always don't pair up

super well just because the tone of the movies can be kind of different sometimes it works out very well but yeah so we're doing two movies unless

we know for a fact that he's barely in it and we've never seen it or like she wanted to skip tusk for part of the reason that he only has a cameo in it and the first time she watched that with me she

was like, yeah, I'm never watching this one again. So like, well, if it's something that we've seen together before, or it's like a very popular movie that we've kind of already kind of ran through, we'll skip over it. But yeah, we're...

That one, I think we've kind of figured out that as long as we stay doing two a month, we should be done in the middle of next year. And then we've been working through an IMDb poster. And I think we're going to go back to doing that as like the reviews that we'll do on that little sub show.

This is the first time in a while that I've had a first time guest on the show. So I really appreciate you taking the time as people might not be surprised. People are very exhausted.

Talking about the things that we talk about on the cast. There's a lot of fatigue. You know, even I was just kind of like...

Is this going to be the same bullshit over? Should I just cover all the same movies that I covered the first time around and see who wants to come back and see if the conversation's different at all?

And it got even more reinforced when Legion wanted to re-release a couple of my deep cuts that had to do with...

authoritarian overreach freedom of speech and things like that and it's just yeah okay same shit you know the internet troll then was steve bannon now it's steven miller other shit like that

Yeah, this was a full circle that I wasn't necessarily prepared for or was hoping for. But here we are. Here we are. I mean, it would be different, but still lots of shit to be complaining about if Harris had won.

That's fair. But you and I were talking back and forth, trying to figure out what would be a good thing. And you said...

I forget what you do for work or how much you want to can say about that. But we were talking about capitalism, consumerism, tariffs, trade, other things like that.

And that seemed to pique your interest. Yeah, because I mean...

I won't necessarily, I mean, if anybody stalks my Facebook profile, they'll be able to figure out some of it pretty quickly. But for the last like five years, I've done supply planning. So I buy...

In my previous job, I was doing more like food grade stuff, but now I bring in more industrial chemicals for a smaller company in Columbus. And this...

Smaller company, I'm more hands on with the whole process of actually getting things like brought in where we have people that actually kind of book the like carriers and stuff for what we're bringing in. But I'm definitely.

in talks with the people overseas to kind of get the orders in line do a little bit of negotiation on pricing and yeah this uh this last i would say like eight months or so has been quite interesting as tariffs were something that

You kind of learn about in school, but you don't really kind of think about it until they become in the forefront like they are currently. I am surprised. I am.

Awful at math. I've always been awful at math as a journalism major who became a creative writing major. The last math related class I had was the philosophy of statistics.

Oh, I took that class as well. Oh, did you? Yeah. It was graded on a curve, so my C and D ended up in A, but that doesn't mean I learned anything better than I did.

But I have been I have a decent amount of people overseas who still interact with me and stuff on the show. And I feel like a lot of our American friends have sort of.

done the homework and caught up, but I still get understandably a random, Hey, what does this mean? You know, cause America is crazy to people overseas.

And, you know, up north in the 51st state. You know, our dear Canadian friends who are the people that live up above the... shitty crack house on campus you know over on chittenden avenue or something like that um uh columbus people you know yep on the other side of uh

Summit is where I lived over where it kind of on the other side of the road was where things got really rough. So, yep, I know exactly the area you're talking about. Yep. And I was on 15th and 4th. Okay. Yeah.

I had people knocking on my window to talk to the girl that lived upstairs because I had the bottom floor apartment. Okay. So it was reverse.

Very Sid and Nancy sort of situation over there, which I don't know if you've seen that movie. I haven't, but I know enough about the movie to understand what you're getting at. Okay.

So, but you sidetracked me in figuring out, you said you worked in food and now you worked in industrial chemicals. Are you making the stuff real?

It possibly could have been when I was at my other company just because of kind of some of the stuff they were doing. Currently, I don't think so because anything that I know we kind of make at...

My current place is definitely way more industrial because, I mean, I work for the inorganic side of it. So I hope they're not making the stuff there because if it is, then – I mean, it would probably be more in line with food that gets –

sold in the United States, but yeah. Not enough of the wonderful stuff. It is Halloween season and we are doing 1985's The Stuff.

It's labeled as a sci-fi horror. I heard the director had said that he was trying to make a more deep... commentary satirically on consumerism and consumerism culture and the junk food epidemic in the States and that he had to cut it up.

But I didn't do a whole lot of research in there because, again, I didn't want this fascinating plot to...

To be totally ruined. I hadn't seen it. I was thinking that I had never seen it before, to be honest. I was always aware of it. But I'm on the rewatch. I feel like.

I had maybe seen it previously. Although, was this a first-time watch for you? My dad had this on VHS.

It's not one that my sister and I would watch a lot. I remember, I mean, I was more terrified by the VHS cover that we had, but I remember as a kid being kind of creeped out by some of the stuff, but.

There is such lulls in between action that I'm pretty sure we just got bored. So we would have it on and we would be just like playing, doing other things while it was kind of running. This is probably... I would say like my fourth or fifth time watching it just over that stretch.

But I mean, I had watched it earlier this year because I am running through like years that end in five. But before that, I had seen it probably in college when I picked up the DVD, but it had been long stretch in between that watching then.

that other previous one. And coming to it as a film fan and a professional that...

I has worked in a field closer to this than I've ever worked. Um, what, uh, how on, uh,

We were talking about tariffs and trade and things like that. And so I was thinking about some of the themes as a, as a, both a professional and a film fan, what.

worked best for you? What was the most realistic aspect in this other than the industrial espionage? Not that you take part in it.

But that it exists and the corporations, you know, lining up with each other to make sure that they all.

keep that bottom line good regardless of image? I would actually say the...

the tanker trucks going in because i actually um will order material in those type of trucks for some of the more major things that we bring in so seeing that this time around actually i was like oh that's kind of interesting because like i know like

some of the equipment that they're using here like i actually don't deal with it directly but i will kind of go out and talk to the guys every now and then um so seeing that was kind of interesting um the other thing that kind of really struck me with this time around is

Obviously, like you said, I do not myself partake in espionage, but there are different things that it's kind of interesting with that talk when the great Mo Rutherford actually shows up on that yacht. It's just kind of some of the things that they're talking about.

with the like testing that kind of goes into it and trying to figure out ways where they can figure it out and to try to undercut them because I mean one of the big things that we're always trying to worry about is the

how much things cost and how it kind of affects what the bottom line is in the end. So, I mean, it's interesting here is that this is a natural substance. So their bottom line is...

pretty much gone but it is kind of interesting to see these other companies worrying about it so much and then trying to see mo kind of cut corners to figure out how to get to where he's going and i

It took me about 10 minutes into the movie to realize where I had seen Michael Moriarty, a.k.a. Mo, before. Yeah. And I had seen Troll.

Yes. So many times growing up. Yeah, me too. And I immediately had the flash of Harry Potter senior dancing around with the tennis racket or a broom or something.

to uh summertime blues yep and that seems to be a bit there there's like a

a suave corniness to his character. Yes. That is in both characters. So I'm just assuming that's, that's part him.

I think so because I think he's also in Q, the winged serpent, where – so like him and Larry Cohen, I think Larry just knew kind of how to get his personality out there. And because, I mean –

those three roles are all very similar where he, not so much, I guess, in Troll, he's not as snarky in that one, but he does just have this, like,

as you said this weird just way about him where he can be a jerk and he can be saying really mean things but just how he has that like smile and just some of the words he chooses just makes me kind of like oh you're not that bad of a guy are you

And, you know, he looks out for the kid. Right. Do you check your tanker trucks for runaway children before you fill them up at work? Or is that not standard process?

i don't think it's standard process um i think we would actually be more concerned with homeless people where our place is located that might be a bigger issue fair especially with

The rapidity of shelters losing funding and such. You know, my my missus is a social worker. OK.

For a housing nonprofit here in Columbus. Okay. She had. Yeah. She had some meetings at the Statehouse today with various.

various politicians that I don't exactly know which program. And I don't even know how much. That much I'm allowed to know. There's a lot of times where she says, you know, just for ethics reasons, I can't talk to you about this.

That's fair. She was like, I'm going to be meeting with these people today. Do you know anything about any of them? I'm like, yeah, you know, this guy, that, this guy, that. Ooh. This guy.

had accusations that he molested his daughter. Oh. And so as punishment for that, he was removed from a committee.

Why am I not shocked? That's the slap on the wrist. Used to be a career ender. That sort of thing. Now it's...

I guess modeling the head of your party. Yes. You know, or at least similar. I think he's just said that he would do it if he could, or if it was okay. Yeah. Yeah. So weird.

We'll say allegedly at the beginning of this recording and at the end, and we are a work of satire and conjecture. Yep.

But, you know, he I said that I am not very good at math and economics and things like that. You know, I took one marketing class. I think the fake business that I created was.

a music venue slash bookstore that sold controversial books, and it was going to be called Band Books. And I couldn't tell if it was B-A-N-D or B-A-N-N-E-D.

And that probably lost me some points going back and forth with my professor. I do like the pun though. That's good. It's out there if anybody wants to do it.

Some of those places can be fun. You know, there's a lot of laundromat slash music venues. You know, we've got Dirty Dungarees here in Columbus. Down in Cincinnati, there was and maybe still is a cool place called...

sudsy malone's okay that was that was a fun place to play on your way home from tour at the beginning of a tour and you could always do your laundry and uh play and

do all that other stuff. So, yeah, you know, I'm really interested to hear what you have to say about the...

trade and just basically everything. I kind of feel like I'm interviewing you, which I kind of am, which that's, that's pretty typical for, uh, especially for first time on here.

And for my folklorist background, the cat, there's a cat here. She is since, since we've moved, she has claimed my space and me as her favorite stuff.

I'm surprised my cat is not in the chair next to me, but there's still time. Yep, there's still time.

I mean, yeah, I mean, anybody that's listening to this, you've surely seen the stuff, probably seen it more than I have, which is one to two times. It's a really straightforward.

movie uh story you know there's there's they find the product there's something is suspicious

There's the boy that sees the truth. There's the, you know, it's sort of body snatchers ish and sort of.

cultish in other ways there's the guy the the anti-hero the not tom atkins um with his not really broken in cowboy boots um

There's what chocolate chip, Charlie, who's sort of comedic effect, you know, the, or wait, what was it? Yeah. Chocolate chip, Charlie, the guy that was on.

Saturday Night Live back in the, I think, Eddie Murphy years. Okay. What was his name? Garrett Morris. You know, there's the mystery. There's the, is it alive? Is it...

I mean, yogurt's kind of alive, you know, sort of play off that. Yeah.

I don't know. Just everybody wants it. Nobody wants to share it, but everybody wants to have it. You do see a lot of cuts in and out of the movie.

You know, there's the big conspiracy. There's the corporations that are doing anything for money. What? Ow, cat. Claws in my leg.

Paul Servino as the sort of Alex Jones type character. Yeah. That part's where it kind of goes way, way off the rails. I mean, it's.

it's interesting kind of some of the things you're talking about because like i like when they cut over to like showing the commercials but the editing to this sometimes is very manic where i feel like it just jumped between things where i'm just like

whoa like let's let this breathe a little bit and then it gets to that part and he does seem like an alex jones type guy who he's supposed to be i think like a general but he has radio stations that he can use

Yeah. All over Georgia or one specific part of Georgia. Possibly just create. I don't know if he's a militia general or if he's still in the service. Definitely racist.

Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. That was my main, I think, you know, I said like what, what worked for you in that, that effect. The thing that worked least for me.

It was I really like that they had a lot of practical effects. And, you know, they tried with the, you know, the super imposing the people on the background.

of the giant tidal waves of this stuff. But the, yeah, like you were talking about with the editing, editing, I feel like there were a decent amount of times where I wanted to know what got cut out because. Yeah.

That was where I kept going. There was a one time where they just put the voiceover over footage of the car.

pulling in and it's like the last couple sentences of what was probably a long conversation yeah and uh yeah so

I kind of wonder what his dark satire on capitalism and consumerism and consumption would have been. I think as a cheesy... low but well what was it almost a two million dollar budget something like that i thought i saw us yeah that sounds about right 1.7 uh

It's fine. It's good. It's memorable. I really like the commercials. I think that was pretty cool. They did that with...

I like the commercials a lot in Starship Troopers. I like the commercials in RoboCop. So there's all that. But to get back to the...

Not the total point of this, but I am told that everybody except for Americans pays all the taxes on these tariffs.

Oh, if that was the case, that would make my job a whole lot easier. And that it is making our economy stronger than it's ever been.

And the money that they say they're going to give to the soybean farmers and other people is just kind of...

And it's like a Christmas bonus. It's not trying to keep them afloat and keep them from rioting. Right, right. It's not a bailout. Look how much we're winning. Yeah. That's how that works, right?

It must be at least that's the, I think it's the thread they're trying to sell. Okay. So that's, that's great. We're going to all get.

$2,000 checks that'll come right after our $5,000 Doge checks. Still waiting on it. Oh, you didn't get yours? No, not yet. It's the government shutdown.

Yep, that must be. Stuck in processing. Yeah. So that's what it is. It's George Soros and Chuck Schumer.

shut down the government so we don't get our doze checks i mean that would yeah that would track i guess

Because I think the only people that will still get their money besides Congress are ICE. Yeah. Got to keep those guys out there as like the stormtroopers. Yeah.

Well, they're only following orders. Nobody's ever said that before. Right. Hasn't led to some major world events or anything. So...

I think that you are the most economically intelligent person that I've knowingly had on here. Okay.

Um, what do you think, if anything, I mean, I know you're.

You don't just know everything about all marketing and other things like that. Right. Is there anything that you thought of as a parallel to the stuff? Like something that...

It's marketed with other, you know, I mean, I guess there's a lot of, especially a lot of American food items are knowingly not good for people.

But I'm just curious, is this a good springboard? Do you have a soapbox that you want to stand on and say something about?

your, your profession or, you know, like we were talking about with tariffs or economics or capitalism, consumerism, anything like that, or.

I can kind of go on a little thing here. I've been trying to find a product that's like the stuff. I would probably equate it to anything that's kind of like a fad.

that really kind of just takes off where everybody needs to have it obviously nothing's ever going to be as successful as this just because it does have the whole like mind control

like hive mind body snatch and type element to it. But I mean, just things I remember kind of growing up. I mean, like the tickle me Elmo doll, I feel like is very similar. I think it's anytime. I mean, I guess you could even look at like the new iPhone.

every time those come out that people kind of rush to get it even if they don't necessarily need it so i kind of think that's kind of a a similar type path that this film is actually using i mean the other thing i was kind of

thinking about earlier today too is going back to the commercials it's kind of funny how like this really is showing how the 80s kind of kicked that whole thing off where companies were going to spend absorbent amount of money on their advertising even if

what the commercials do don't have anything to correlate back to their product. Because I mean, even looking at the ones that Mo actually interrupts is women in fur coats and like bathing suits. And it's like, what does this have to do with the stuff?

Outside, I guess it is kind of a healthy snack where you could lose weight on it because, I mean, we actually hear the little boy in the movie's mother talking about like, oh, I've lost five pounds since we've come over to this diet.

I do think those are kind of some things that we still see today, which is kind of crazy. I've noticed as I kind of write reviews, that's something I've noticed a lot where I'm like,

man, this is embarrassing that some of these ideas are, you know, 60, 70 years old. I mean, in this case, it's only what now we're looking at 40 years old and how it still is relevant today. Yeah.

I was trying to think of something. I mean, the closest I could think of, and it's sort of old hat to talk about how...

You know, like the tobacco companies and stuff like that. Yeah. You know, had the reach that they had or, you know, you said, yeah, Tickle Me Elmo, the Beanie Baby thing.

Yeah. You can also look at the, I guess a more new one is the, oh, what are those things? The vapes.

That's with how highly addictive those are. That's actually when you said the tobacco thing, I was like, oh, like, because my wife is an occupational therapist and I'll jokingly say stuff to kind of get her going.

And I made an offhand joke because she actually works with heart and lung transplant patients. So making a joke about vapes and just the wrath that brought on me and realizing that I will never.

make that joke again yeah you know you never know what'll just um

Like, yeah, the deeper connections and the deeper faults that those things have. I used a vape to quit smoking, but then I stopped with the vape. Yeah.

At the time, the other guys in my band had quit smoking, but they were vaping two or three times more, I feel like. Right.

And they had the rocket, just like the giant tube things. And they were ordering chemicals from... somewhere you know somewhere in asia and you know mixing their shit together and just all yeah and they were very into it they had all the different batteries yeah

yep it was yeah actually now you brought up the um i can kind of parlay into a little bit of what i encountered at work actually um so

My company, what I will say is we do fairly well right now with the tariffs because of the fact that we manufacture here. We do run into issues is that certain things that we buy, you cannot find in the United States.

tariffs come into play there which is a fun practice because of the fact that they could be there one day when i place the order and then when the material comes in three months later they can be there and not a whole lot i can do to stop that

But one of our biggest products we actually do very well and selling it over in Asia, but over there is that I'm assuming and I'm not going to There's I'm assuming their labor costs are a little bit lower in some of these places that we're competing with But it is wild somehow they can

kind of cut their prices much lower than ours and Yeah, that's definitely something that when you brought up that in those

cartridges or whatever they were buying not necessarily know what could go into that and yeah definitely stuff that we run into at work where our stuff might be a little bit more like uh i want to say pure because it makes it sound like i'm

We sell drugs, but we definitely don't. Some of the chemicals that we buy or that we sell over there might be a little bit higher quality, but because they can kind of undercut us with...

Some of the ancillary things, and I mean also being closer just to some of the materials over there as well, kind of make it an interesting situation. Yeah.

Not to continue with the drug parallel, but like in – what's that movie with Denzel Washington where he was just having the – where he played Frank Lucas. Yeah.

American Gangster. Yeah, there you go. American Gangster. You know, why charge more when you don't have to? And it's better. Yeah. I don't know, man.

I think we, unless we missed something about the movie and you feel like we're not doing it justice, I think we can.

continue into the just general conversational part of the show that you've heard a million times. Yeah, I don't think so. I think we really kind of hit on the real major parts of it.

especially i guess just kind of end out that it's it is a quirky satire that i don't know if it works as well as it could and i

Something you'd also said. I would like to see Larry Cohen's cut of this movie. I'm assuming the footage is all kind of destroyed by now. But I would like to see kind of what he wanted to do and...

less what the kind of studio might've kind of forced into it to make it more marketable. Yeah. And that just keeps going, making it more marketable, cutting out.

the more interesting parts the you know it's it's a good i'm sure somebody with a better uh grasp on marketing and especially food marketing and food trends would have a field day with this sort of thing i did want to say that the stunt doubles

in the hotel fire scene slash stuff attack are like space balls level stunt doubles. It was, I mean, you could basically see, I mean, it was.

I thought maybe that they had shot parts of the movie with other people at one point before I realized, no, these are just the people that they're going to have close to the fire.

And it was, I mean, the guy had different hair. I think it was probably a wig. It was.

It stood out enough that I remembered it right now as we're talking about it. And I did like at the end, what, are you eating it or is it eating you? Yeah, that's a...

It's a great line. I will give them that. And it's also kind of interesting. I mean, going back to the drug parallel, it is funny, those like closing out scenes where you have a very young Patrick Dempsey testing it like it's cocaine.

Because it seems like this is now an underground type thing. That was him. I didn't notice it until recently. I was looking at the cast list and I was like...

Patrick Dempsey? And I was like, oh my god, that's that guy at the very end. Wow. I mean... Paul Sorvino, like we said, as the Alex Jones slash... every other right-wing militia guy finally write about one of the things he said yeah it's not the commies i don't know yeah this

This was a bit of a fun film. I've had some really heavy ones that I've been thinking about doing. We can talk. There's a handful of documentaries that I don't know if you want to...

Okay. Jump on with me at some point, but there's lots of other movies. Although I can't tell. Do you ever want to come back and do this again? I can cut it out if you say no.

Oh, no, I definitely would. Yeah. The only thing I will say is with the holidays-ish season coming up, it might be a little bit difficult. But, no, I would definitely jump back on. I'm having fun chatting with you.

Okay, cool. Me too. Yeah. Similarly, I mean, yeah, you've got the film festival coming up and all the other holidays and things like that. Yeah, the film festival is fun, but then the... adult like the more adult version of me is dreading it just because i know how exhausted i'm gonna be

and then like the younger version of me used to be like oh man this is this is a blast i will say they've kind of tailored it a little bit more where like i'm not falling asleep as much in the theater but i also think i'm prepped myself with now having two children where i've gone through the

sleep training even though i think my youngest might we he got sick the last week so he was waking up and we ran into an issue where three straight nights my wife and i had to rotate just

like cuddling with him and trying to sleep where he would wake up periodically, just scream in your face. And it's like, okay, but yeah. So I've, I've given myself some body training, I think. Yeah. Got that sleep deprivation.

Boot camp. I haven't been to the fest in forever, but that's where I saw creep two before it came out. Yeah. And.

Yeah. So, yeah, we talked about the Gateway Theater. Anybody that comes to Columbus, totally check out the Gateway Theater. I live really close to Studio 35. Okay.

If I see something, it's often there, but I know it's not the best for some of the bigger things, but. No, I do give them credit because I've actually never watched anything there when I was in.

college i was part of a uh student group where they made a feature film and we actually they were super cool and let us like

in that movie that they were making there was like a filmmaker so it was kind of a meta type thing there where we actually let us put something on the marquee and we filmed outside of there so ever since then i've always been like

Cool place that I'll try to support whenever I can. I know I've been to the Drexel because they also show a lot of really old movies that I'm like, okay, I'm never going to see this anywhere else though.

Yeah, Drexel's good. Are there multiple ones now? I always knew about the one in Bexley. I don't think so, because that's the one I've always gone to when I go to see something.

where i live i'm so close to like that major like highways that it's easy for me because i just jump on like 270 and then i have to just veer off on the different roads to kind of get there so it's not like

a little bit of a hike but it's not too difficult to actually get there i went there a lot more when i lived in whitehall okay that makes sense then yeah yeah yeah

Some cool independent theaters. Yes. I know you're a little bit of a sports fan or a lot of a bit of a sports fan. I used to be a huge sports fan. I've now kind of.

I came to a conclusion that it was like, well, if I'm going to do this podcast, I'm probably going to have to cut out some of these type things. I am a huge Ohio State football fan.

Other ones I'll kind of – like I'm following the Tigers right now because they're in the baseball playoffs. And my wife actually recently was like, I didn't think you were this big of a sports fan. I'm like, I'm really not. Like I'm –

i follow it on my phone for the most part where i'm just following the scores but

if things line up where i'm like okay the game's on right now i'm just gonna turn this on and a lot of times i'll just mute it just so i can kind of watch as things are happening but yeah definitely don't have the time to dedicate everything

Makes sense. Yeah. Things got especially when once you start having the kids. Yeah. And then when they start having activities, you know, I'm I'm getting ready for a multi day.

hockey tournament in Louisville. Okay. Or however you say it. So I'll either be editing this while I'm there or I won't take my laptop because my kid plays goalie.

So you have the most shit to carry out of everybody. I mean, credit to him. If I could have learned how to skate.

That's the position I always kind of wanted to play. And then I had somebody who was a longtime hockey player was like, you don't want to play goalie. And I was like, oh, okay, I guess I don't.

There's a lot of discouragement to play goalie, I will say, and so much so that he's the only goalie on his team. There's some kids that know how to play goalie.

Yeah. But, you know, he's on. I don't know. Yeah, you probably maybe have seen the Columbus Capitals.

around or maybe somebody's worn merch somewhere around you but yeah i i know what you're talking about yeah so the the like there's three tiers of teams and he's on like the entry level tier

And the higher up teams both have two goalies and the goalie that would have been on the team with him got pulled up to that one. Oh, okay. And there's...

Yeah, when he got injured earlier in the season, they had to get special permission from the league to get one of the younger kids.

Oh, geez. To fill in for him. Because you can't get an older kid to drop down. You know, all sorts of shit. But, yeah. So...

You said you grew up in Michigan. Yeah. I grew up here. And Ohio sports teams will just kill you. Yeah, they will crush your soul. Yeah.

So I allow myself to like one Ohio team, really. And it's the Blue Jackets who still kill you. But, you know, that's.

They're less problematic than the now Cleveland guardians who are less problematic now that they changed their name and they play half as many games. And I like hockey more than I like baseball. And my kid likes to.

play hockey. And I hope you're still there. The cat just jumped on the keyboard. Yep. No, I'm still here. Okay. Yeah. Hockey was my first favorite sport as a kid.

um obviously a red wings fan having lived in columbus it it makes it tough that they're in the same or they actually yeah i think they're in the same division still i'd have to double check that but yeah it was um it's one of those things where if i mean the red wings have been kind of like the

blue jackets as of late where they're both trying to kind of get back into the playoffs and everything but especially that deep run that they made the one year i uh i jumped on the bandwagon because that's i mean it's kind of the same thing when i lived in cleveland for a stretch is that

i wasn't a cavaliers fan but when lebron came back i was kind of like you know what this is this makes the city more fun yeah um

The Jackets and Red Wings are in the same conference, but the Red Wings are in the Atlantic division. Okay. Yeah, because when I was following them religiously, they were still in the Western Conference, which...

Made a whole lot of sense back then. So since everything kind of got changed and then the new playoff seedings ruling or like how they do that thing, I'm just all thrown off. I just kind of like.

I'm just going to look on ESPN to figure out how these match up now because I don't get it. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, the Red Wings. My fourth grade teacher was a big...

U of M fan. Okay. And he was one of the only ones, at least one of the open, openly Michigan fans at my school. And the...

Ohio state fan teachers would come in and trash our room the Friday before the big game. Okay. So that started my.

I hate Ohio state fans thing, which isn't so much now. I mean, it was, it ran deep, especially like a lot of years I spent.

you know playing shows on campus and getting with by really drunk frat style osu fans just yeah you know how a fan base can make you whatever but

Then I sort of started – I was like, oh, Ohio State women's hockey is a beast. They're a really good team. Yes, right. You see those players and –

The tickets were still free up until a year or two ago because it was, you know, it's women's hockey. It was like, oh, they did better than the men's team and the men's team is all right. And then.

My wife, when her mom died, she got really, as like a way to sort of shut off her brain a little bit, got really into football.

Okay. So she became an OSU fan, Bengals fan. That's not so much anymore. Yeah. But, you know, she's from Indianapolis. Okay.

She was sort of a Colts fan when she grew up. She went to school with the grandchild of the person that owned the Colts. Okay.

She more so follows players and stuff. Like my kid playing goalie likes a lot of goalies. So I watch all sorts of teams.

Things like that. But, yeah, I like to play. You know, the Blue Jackets weren't around when I was little. You know, we had the chill. Okay.

the Columbus chill, um, who stopped being a team the year before the blue jackets existed, became a team because the blue jackets were becoming a team, but they were, Oh,

They were, I think, in the WHL or the ECHL. Okay. They played mostly at the fairgrounds.

You'd see some of the players. I think the coach of the Seattle Kraken used to play for the chill. One of the first guys that professionally did the Michigan goal, bringing back the Michigan references.

Was a chill player and things like that. So, yeah, I haven't been to Michigan in a while, but going to a tournament in Ann Arbor in a couple of months.

I think they get to play at the university. That's cool. I know they have a pretty – I've never been to it, but I know – because, I mean, Michigan's hockey team is really good, and they've been –

Them and Michigan State usually contend, I believe, with some of those, I mean, obviously Minnesota makes sense, but like some of those Northeast teams that... have always been perennial powers so i bet their their rank is probably super nice i i hear it's one of the best in college that makes sense

So that should be fun for the kids. You know, they went and played at the University of Miami in Ohio not too long ago. They have a bunch of former NHL players. So they've got pictures and plaques all over the place. And the kids got to.

go down the player hallway and all that shit. So, but that's been, I'll just say when you were talking about with, uh, cause my daughter, she's doesn't have.

the attention span just yet but that's some of the things i've been telling my wife is that i'm gonna take her to some of the obviously i'll probably take her to an ohio state football game but the other sports is what i'm kind of more excited about just because it's

easier and more affordable to get into and like i know i went to a couple hockey games like for the men's when i was in school but

Like that and like baseball, softball and whatnot. So that's one of those things I'm kind of stoked to see if we can get her.

interested in sports even though i'm probably gonna regret it just because i know like you have been talking about and my sister-in-law has two kids and just hearing her talk about soccer and karate and everything else and i'm just like

Okay, so I'm busy now, so I can just foresee this is going to get significantly worse. Oh, it's coming. Yeah.

At least with, I'm sure, or at least I'm hopeful, some of the other pro teams in Columbus will follow suit or do follow suit. But the Blue Jackets... have a learn to play program where when you sign up, you get your first round of everything, except for maybe skates for free.

Oh, nice. Pads, jersey, bags, even a stick, I think. It might be a wooden stick. And I think they're doing that with street hockey.

Now too. And there's a couple of street hockey rinks and there's that heat wave arena that Nasher, the YouTube guy. Okay. Is involved with in conjunction with the blue jackets and.

the battery hockey academy, but hockey especially is price.

yeah price lock yeah it's you know some things you just need a ball and you can play it but yeah with hockey there's so much and the the goalie drought like we talked about it's

It is it's it's it's at a point with either the cost of it or and or the number of people who do it is whenever he signs up for.

Why am I blanking on a thing that happens for maybe two days or a week, like a session? Not a session, but anyway.

Whenever they have something like that for players, like a training session or a training week or a training – Like a camp? Yeah. Okay. It's typically – free or a lot cheaper for goalies because you know there's there are not as many but then yeah the equipment and such uh you know last year

The team he was on, the coach offered in front of everybody, anybody that wants to play goalie, we'll get you a chance. We'll figure it out. And so many parents were like, no.

you're not doing it you know totally not wow yeah to to to their kids you know there's i would say you know half the kids on his team wanted to try it out and there were a lot of parents were like the fuck you are

Which was, you know, fine for us and him because he was really excited to do it, you know. Yeah. And so he was the full time goalie last year. But every practice.

another kid or another couple kids dressed in the, the gear that they had that, uh, that the league supplied and things like that. But yeah, the,

the sports, uh, I forget how, how old your, your oldest kid is, but it's going to come sooner than you think. Oh yeah. She'll be three in like two weeks.

She's born the 24th of this month. Day after one of my sister's birthdays. Okay.

But yeah, I think he's been skating off and on for about five or six years. We made him stop for a while when COVID first hit.

That's fair. Some of the rinks closed anyway, but it was, yeah, you know, a big cluster of kids breathing in each other's faces right now.

Yeah, because I never learned to skate and I tried to do it as an adult and it's just my...

it's probably a part of it's just my unwillingness to learn sometimes. I mean, it's weird. Like if it comes to like reading something or like, you know, like watching stuff to do it, I'm all for it. Some of the stuff that I actually have to do.

practically it just kind of throws me off i would like to see if she could get her to learn how to skate and good to know about goalies because i mean there's a good chance she would have a good build for it because my wife and i have very similar builds we're both not very

tall and stocky so we're assuming both our children are going to follow suit so

Yeah, and they're going – I feel like there's a cycle of tall goalie, short goalie, tall goalie, short goalie. The 80s, the 1980s, and into the early 90s, there were a lot of shorter goalies. And then it was really tall people. But now –

the really tall goalies, their limbs are so big that people are just shooting underneath their arms.

the catcher arm. And so, um, yeah, he's, he's a bit of a shorter guy. We don't know. My wife is a bit taller than I am. I had, she had to wear flats and I wore boots in our wedding and she was taller than me.

And so, I mean, we'll see, but yeah, it's, there's a lot of talk about, you know, like one of the Blue Jackets goalies.

the youngest one, Jet Greaves, who played a lot of time in Cleveland. They call him a shorter goalie, and he is...

They haven't announced who the starting goalie is going to be when the season starts tomorrow for the team. And a lot of people think it might be him over the the guy that they've had the last few years. Who's I mean, I.

This isn't this. We could probably talk about some sports movies here and there, but you know, this isn't a sports cast, but he was like best friends with the goalie of theirs that died in that 4th of July accident a few years ago.

Yeah. And he wasn't really this and he the guy died trying to save him. Oh, really? That really fucked him up. Like he was trying to help save him and his pregnant wife.

So his kid has one of one of his kids names is the dead friends name. And then, you know, last summer they had another player and his brother get killed.

Yeah, I remember hearing about that at work and just being like, what? Because like, obviously, you know, living here, hearing about like...

I probably know more about the Blue Jackets than I know about my own team. So like it's, but yeah. And then hearing just like how devastated people on the radio were, I'm like, yeah, that's that. And then what?

the guy for the blue jackets his wife was i think pregnant at the time and i was just like what if that happened to me and it just kind of puts things into perspective sometimes

Yeah. She, I mean, she was, I don't even know. I mean, hopefully.

It was helpful or cathartic to her to be around so many people. And I mean, last season, she was at every other game. She was at most of the events. She and his parents, you know, his dad was always around. And, you know.

like when they did the game against your, your guys, Detroit at the shoe. Yeah. Everybody dressed like him showing up, you know, to the game. And it was like.

a big focus on them in that there's a documentary series about the league that I don't know which streaming service is probably Amazon.

that seems to be the more sports documentary yeah it does seem to be unless it's hulu uh but yeah there's there's a focus on that and her and yeah

Her announcing that she was pregnant. I think she announced that in her eulogy at the, you know, at the funeral that was live streamed. And, you know, his kids look so much like him.

And the guy that killed him and his brother tried to get the case thrown out, saying that they had alcohol in their system, even though they were on the side of the road and there's no...

law about how much alcohol you're allowed to have in your system and he was road rage driving passing in the shoulder on the right when he ran ran them over and yeah that's just so annoyed when they said he couldn't get out on bail there's so much drama and so much sadness and it's crazy um

This is probably the most sports that's ever been talked about on the show. Detroit Red Wings fan tried to fight me in the bathroom once. See, I'm not shocked. Like that's one. Cause like.

my dad took us took me and my cousin to see like a lions game when we were a kid and he never took me to another pro sporting event until i got older because as we're trying to leave like two drunk dudes just started trying to fight each other and like

And as everybody's trying to leave, so obviously, you know, you just have a huge group of people. So I'm not shocked to hear that.

younger me might have been one of those like i wouldn't necessarily try to fight random people i know i've gotten into it with my friends if we had like you know drinks being had and everything and then

somebody tries to start like a debate that gets too heated but yeah like i'm not shocked to hear that though definitely i've grown up where i'm like

especially when i'm like looking at them like i'm older than most of these people right now i'm not gonna fight you over them so right right it's like yeah you you can yeah enjoy enjoy your uh i'm not that intense yeah there we go

Just not that intense. So it's like, have a good game. Have a good day, man. I'll see you later. Have a safe drive home. Hopefully you're not driving. Please don't drive.

Our public transit sucks, but there's Lyft and Uber. Yep. Oh, man. Yeah. So. yeah sometimes i'm conflicted being a sports fan because i don't get along with a lot of sports fans but

That's where it kind of gets weird for me because my friend group here in Columbus are all huge sports fans. That's their only real hobby. So if I go out to watch a game with them, they're just so much more intense and they're on their... sports betting apps where like I'm like I don't

I don't, like, and my one buddy was trying to do, like, hey, let's do sports trivia while it's halftime. And I'm like, I don't know enough anymore, man. Like, I don't, like, you want to start talking about some of these horror movies? I can start rattling off some trivia there. Like, I don't got to.

lot more that i can do for you here though yeah i'll be your your dark horse in the movie trivia but right i don't know yeah i don't know who won this or that the other thing unless

is mostly connected to the very small bit that i totally pay attention to right like my heyday i still remember most of those random facts but outside of that now like i was like i can't tell you anymore man yeah

So, yeah, I can tell you about the... Yeah, I did used to watch a lot more sports. I played a lot more sports.

But then I got injured in eighth grade. And when I was recovering, that is when I realized that I would rather play music. That's fair. That's I think.

maybe not as hard on the body. So I don't blame you. Although I was healing my elbow and I decided to play the drums, but you know, something like that could be an issue. Yeah.

So it doesn't pop, you know, so that's good waiting. You know, I waited a long time for that and I definitely had a lot of skateboarding injuries that I.

Didn't have the health insurance to deal with. Yeah. But I don't know. I mean, to get back into interviewing you. Yes. Let's see. So.

When... Not when. That's... Who knows when. What... Is your...

Biggest pet peeve about American electoral politics. Cool.

Or your top, top five or, or if there's just haven't spent any time reflecting on that. I know this is a out of nowhere question. No, I mean, actually.

My biggest thing is the two-party system is completely messed everything up to the point where we're at now. And I actually, I think it was listening to your show.

learning about the like ranked choice voting is something that i have become a huge champion of like i explained it to my wife and she

it took a little bit to kind of i mean a lot of times when i tell her stuff she doesn't necessarily if she's not fully invested or fully understanding what i'm trying to say she might not but after i kind of explained it to her and like broke it down she became on board with it i

can understand why general politics don't want it. But that is the one thing that I think could help turn things around, at least down the road. And yeah, that's...

Learning about that really kind of be like, okay, this is something that we should try to figure out. I would love to get somebody from Rank the Vote Ohio on here.

First step would be to actually ask them if any would like to talk, but I've been an admirer of theirs and learning about the process and seeing.

How it's worked in other places and other states are instituting it. And then, yeah, watching the Democrats and the Republicans both saying, no, no, no, no, no. It's got to be gerrymandering.

We can't have it be all based on merit or we're fucked. Yes.

got to save our phony baloney jobs or whatever, like they say in blazing saddles. And I mean, outside of like the current stuff where we're seeing where it's gone so much more to the extreme, like things.

In general, we're a little bit, I guess for lack of a better way to say it, better, just because they weren't completely screwing everything over. But I also think nothing ever truly got done.

Because, I mean, the two parties currently are just kind of the one slightly better than the other, but are each side to the same coin.

So I think something like this where we could actually potentially see the breaking of that so I can see why they don't want to go that route because it would kind of break that stranglehold. Yeah, I think it would be a...

a drastic improve. If we're going to change anything with electoral politics, uh, I don't see a better way than than that. Yes. Voting. Cause it's, it's too late to, you know,

Other countries have multi-party systems. I haven't gone too deep in. I do want to have some Canadian friends come and teach me about the ins and outs of Canadian politics. Yeah.

You know, Duncan's been pretty good. I mean, Scotland is sort of its own little spot, but under the crown. Yeah.

They're also doing a lot of renewable energy and a lot of things like that. And there was all the talk about independence and they had Brexit. And I feel like...

Boris Johnson was the slightly less terrible British version of Trump. Yeah. And, you know, there's awful people everywhere, but having more than two parties.

makes it less of a seesaw of despair and futility. Well, yeah, especially because now it's like one...

One group gets in, they put in their policies, and the next group gets in, undoes said policies, and then tries to kind of do what they're going to do, and then just rinse repeat.

where at least i think if we had a little bit more and differing ideas come into this we could actually make things better but then again i also know kind of like the ruling class doesn't want things to get better

But I mean, I guess that becomes its own little diatribe there as well. They just want us to shut up and eat the stuff. Yes. Soylent green. Oh, man.

Yeah, or the energy bars and Snowpiercer. Have you seen Snowpiercer? I don't think I have. Okay. I'd have to double check.

I know I've seen one of the movies that kind of has that similar premise, but I don't think I've seen that one. I feel like I've heard a podcast talk about it, but I don't think I've seen it. Okay.

I think I covered it a few years ago. I don't know if the graphic novel came first or if it was a novelization. I haven't read that. Okay. That one's the one that largely takes place on a train.

Okay. I don't think, is it done by Bong Joon-ho? If that's the one I'm thinking of, I have not seen it. I believe so.

But I love him as a director, so that would probably be something that I'll end up really digging. Yeah, it was. And also a story by Bong Joon-ho.

And starring, yeah, Chris Evans and other people. It's got a pretty strong cast. Yeah.

So, yeah, I think I definitely recommend that movie. I don't think I recommend that movie, but I highly recommend that movie. But it is dark. Yeah. And.

Action-y and very Bong Joon-ho, as much as I know about him. Yeah, I think there was a while there where I was like...

Snowpiercer and District 9 and a bunch of other dystopian movies were my main jam.

I've been doing a decent amount of comfort food type movies and, you know, things that I've, you know, things that I've seen already or things that I'm more likely.

to know I'll like or that won't totally just kill me. Yeah, that's fair. Sometimes you need to do that, especially when...

the state of things at times. So I don't, I don't blame you at all. Yeah. I pay an unhealthy amount of attention to American and global politics. And so, yeah, when.

As you know, when there's kids around, you don't have as much total time to watch things. Although I think in the last episode of yours I listened to, you said you watched like 30-something movies.

in the month i uh i still tend to get that it but it's only i look out for the fact that my wife ends up going to bed earlier than me so i'll usually get something in and then i tend to later in the day at work we'll put on like a documentary

And that kind of helps me to kind of pad the numbers at times where I'll treat it like a podcast where I'll just have it like plain. And if I need to like look down at something. So I try to tend to get ones that are more.

Not where I'm trying to necessarily learn something. It'll be more like movie based documentaries where it's like, Oh, like, um,

I'm trying to think of one like ones that'll be like I think recently I watched the ones about like Child's Play where I'm like oh okay like I've seen these movies so I can kind of just you know hear interviews and whatnot and

You know, help to pad everything out there. Like extended special features since. Pretty much, yeah. DVDs and Blu-rays all that often anymore. And they tend to not have as elaborate. As much fun stuff. Yeah.

I watched a bunch of stuff on sinners after I watched that. That's one that I need to, I'm holding off doing my rewatch. Cause I know my wife wants to see it.

And I think we're going to watch it at some point in this month, but not sure when yet, because that one I really dug. Yeah, I had to watch myself because when I...

When I want my wife to watch something, I'll ask about it all the time. I'm just like, no, I'm not in the mood. I was like, okay, well, how about now? And I was like, actually, you've asked me too many times.

Now you have to wait. Yeah, I know how that goes. So that's awesome.

a shared experience there. So, yeah, I don't know. I think we could probably keep talking if we wanted, but I think we hit a good end to the episode.

OK. You know, I think we talked about the stuff that we talked. I got I got to interview you like I did. I mean, way, way back. God.

Almost 10 years ago when I started doing this, I think I've said this somewhere before, but it was partly because the music.

Had, you know, everybody started having kids and not all of my bands have technically broken up, but most of them pretty much have drummers are kind of like the goalies of the band. You know, there's.

Not as many of us. So, I mean, I was in a handful of bands. Okay. And, you know, the main one I was in was extremely politically active. You know.

registering people to vote at our merch booth doing you know anti-racist action benefit concerts and getting into scuffles with nazis and this and that that's awesome and then it you know i was like

You know, as our wives will do when we're not doing the creative things that we do that make us more like ourselves. She's like, you need to start doing something because something.

So I had noticed that a lot of podcasts and stuff that I was listening to, people would get really close to talking about a lot of the shit.

And they'd be like, well, but I don't want to get into it. Yeah, it's a very classic line that I hear on a lot of the shows that I've listened to over the years.

Yeah. So after hearing that so many times, I was like, why? Why don't you want to get into it? I get it. You know, if you don't want to make people mad, you don't want to talk about politics because somebody is going to get mad.

Even though everything's political if you think about it. Yes. So, yeah, I just wanted to get all of the people that didn't want to get into it here. And also, you know, I.

Also have said, I'm kind of a co-host that ended up hosting their own show. So with the, that, the, the merch booth conversations, the folklore training and the bit of journalism.

just seemed to be an interesting little mix of just getting to talk to a bunch of different people and everybody's into different things. And I haven't really had anybody on here that I've had, you know,

Not a, I don't know. Did you ever watch the documentary best of enemies? Um, I don't think I've seen that one. It's about, um, Gore Vidal.

And I'm trying to think of his name. He was a very famous conservative commentator guy.

He had his fingers in a lot of the think tanks and, you know, back before Fox news and all that stuff. Um, what is, it was Gore Vidal and.

William F. Buckley Jr. Okay. Who, what did Buckley start? He started.

The National Review, which you may have seen. It still exists. The National Review magazine. He started that. Yeah. OK. But Gore Vidal and William F. Buckley had a bunch of times where they ended up.

debating things on national television and things like that and they acted like they really hated each other kind of they weren't the way people act like they hate each other now where that's fair yeah

where you're afraid that they might physically do something to each other, but they had these really heated debates. And Best of Enemies was a documentary about their...

strange relationship no i'm adding this to my list this does sound interesting um forever ago i did a episode with duncan and um our friend uh smoke who i don't know if you ever listened to the midnight horror show that a bunch of us were on i didn't um i think i've heard

I know of him from what you guys have talked about because I've heard it because I was going –

Back when I first got into your guys' shows, I started going back and listening to the back catalog. Now I end up getting sidetracked just because life events would just kind of pop up where then I'd get behind on new shows and then I'd try to listen to those while I'm still trying to work.

through it so i've heard of this person okay yeah he's he's like our uh

Right leaning libertarian friend. Okay. So he is like the most right wing person I've ever had on a show. And sometimes it's hard to tell if he's saying shit.

to troll or if that's you know a cornerstone of American libertarianism is

Yeah. Especially a lot of European libertarians would be like, now you need to differentiate. So I've been working at saying American libertarianism. Got it.

But yeah, when I was on the Midnight Horror Show, there was me and Duncan and Smoke and Fancy Mark.

Yes. Yeah. And a couple of guys that were only on that, you know, there was Danny Trioxin and...

But a couple other people, you know, I think one of the guys that was really into hip hop said they were kind of like the Wu-Tang clan of podcasting. We all kind of had our own thing and we came together and there's a billion of us. Yeah.

a lot of drunken live streams, a lot of, you know, every once in a while I, I did the, the leftist thing was like, Hey now, but you know,

For the most part, it didn't get too far into that because, you know, whatever. It was mostly about horror and there was some fun live games. But yeah, we had smoke on for a handful of episodes.

I thought he would do well with the best of enemies. And I think he was on when we almost talked about starship troopers. Okay. But yeah, best of enemies.

Definitely recommend that documentary. No, I definitely just added it to my letterbox watch list so that way I don't lose it. Cool. Yeah. So I had a blast talking with you.

uh, tonight. And I definitely want to thank you for finding the time, uh, in between all the stuff in between being a dad in between being a podcaster in between.

being a professional human in between being an adult in between the screaming into the dark yes things no i appreciate it no it's uh it's funny i've

glad that i reached out because sometimes i get a little bit anxious about doing stuff where i'm like you know what i don't want to get shot down so i'm glad that i did and i would definitely come back on and chat about other things as well

Hell yeah. You know, I stopped asking people because people kept saying.

or and they didn't have the bandwidth for it so i've sort of felt like it was a burden to ask people who hadn't done it yet so i'm glad i'm glad you said something yeah that's it's funny that's the ike I'm the flip side of it where I'm like, man, I don't want to like...

Not so much. I'm not always so much worried about the rejection anymore because now I'm just kind of like, eh, I don't really care. If you say no, I'm going to be like, when I saw you had said you were coming back, I was like, you know what? I'm just going to reach out and see what happens.

It was actually one of the easier ones to schedule. I feel like I've had other times where people are like, hey, do you want to come on? And then it becomes like a back and forth for like what feels like weeks on end. So I feel like we got this pretty quickly like figured out.

Yeah, I think we did. You know, one of the good things about not having a set schedule is there's not a set schedule. Right. Kind of South Park. Exactly. And try to keep as close to current as we can.

And the government shutdowns helped a little bit in that the horrors have been the same for the past week. Right. Some new thing has not just randomly popped up that I'm like, are we serious?

We'll see Supreme courts back, back in session. So they're not shut down. We'll see what they do. They'll probably overturn interracial marriage or something next.

Probably. I feel like that's got to be one of the things on the upcoming docket. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Anyway, for another episode. Thanks again, man.

Should be a lot less time in between this episode and the next episode. Really glad to be back. Thank you again for helping me come out of my own personal government shutdown.

And yeah, until next time, can't get enough of that wonderful stuff. He did what we all must learn to do. You and you and you and you.

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