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Okay, as promised, here is the second half of the Dead Zone recording. We will take a quick break, maybe play a promo and then get right into it.

There is no spoon. Yes, there it is. Okay, okay. Can we just talk about the damn movie?

The flying guillotine is an awesome weapon. It's not practical. It's not even aerodynamic. But it's awesome. Chaps, could we possibly just talk about the movie? Easy rider.

is cool. Yeah, it is. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Easy Ride is cool.

If you consider they're doing thousands of miles in the desert and they have fuel tanks the size of a pea. You'll get three miles out of that. Oh, not to mention one of them. One of the tanks is full of money. I call bullshit.

Okay, okay, can we just talk about the damn movie? Obsessive cinema discourse where podcast worlds collide.

staying up late. Oh, that's no problem, man. I'm having a blast. Alright.

How long were you drinking? I feel like if I was drinking as long as you, I would have been asleep by now. I started at 2 and stopped drinking at half 10. So, what's that? It's like 8 and a half hours.

Yeah. It was a bad move. And then I had to get the train back with Baz and then get a taxi as well. And then, yeah. Yeah. It was good fun. I had a lot of fun.

We were talking about you, actually, me, Baz, Scott, Liam, all good things, of course. Oh, sweet. Liam was telling me that out. Nice. Yeah, big, big, big fan. I told him to hit you up and get a guest appearance sorted out.

because I can't be the only Scottish person to watch the opinion on your show. I'm a bad representative of my nation at any time. I don't know what's going on, Scots. I'm like, Duncan, that's the bad fucking move. So, yeah, he's keen.

He's keen to hit you up, so just drop a line. Yeah, yeah, we talked when we first started sort of talking.

Spoke briefly about he was kind of wanting to do something related to the Vietnam War. Yep.

And, uh, I was totally fine with that, but I think he thought it had to be a horror and he was trying to look, look for a good horror. I think I need to tell him it can be. I don't think he understands that it can be. Yeah. Yeah.

so i've they're like they're legitimately i love their show like it's weird that like i got into doing podcasting through like gill and roscoe who have long since

podcast world. And then I went and done my own thing and then I hear this new Glass Ouija horror podcast and I listen to them and they are like Gill and Roscoe in so many ways. But they're just so much funnier.

Oh, they're a blast. They did their top 10 list. They did their top 10 list in Scott's opening thing was number 10 is Killing of a Sacred Deer. I've not seen it yet, but I know when I watch it, it'll be my number 10. That, to me, I fucking about pissed myself at my desk. I thought that was hilarious.

Yes. And then he had all these horrible mentions of movies that he had fucking seen, which could have easily been number 10 on his list. But it exists. Yeah. Oh, he loves that word. Yeah, it was...

he was telling me all about his dawn of the dead pick i picked it and i was wrong he's like hey because georgie romero had a this long career

in making movies after full channels like that actually released more movies after zombie flesh years to when he died in 1996 and george romero released his entire career

I want to pick you up on that one, but... Yeah, again, sorry I didn't do the movie club this month. It took me longer to cut together my year one show than I thought it was gonna. Dude, you swing something to me more often than you need.

So, yeah, you've got... You don't need to do anything in my eyes. You're golden, sir. Thank you, sir. There you go. Bo's back. Yeah.

yeah by the way probably American boys so what unfortunately Darren Duncan and I have to charge you for the first half where we did

essentially a private show for you. I'm going to release it as Duncan and Bogo to Washington. Much more accustomed to Duncan and Bogo. 83 to dunboko four things that you got from a corpse yeah body parts or otherwise it's up to you uh

Well, Duncan, I might have to send your payment straight to you because I don't know if you're going to get any of those Buckeyes. Oh, no, Baz is eating them all, but that's fine. Baz can have them all.

I saw that picture. I was like, man.

fucking buckeyes are delicious yeah well my favorite thing about that baz every now and again thinks he can win over me in social media and i shut him down and he can't handle it so it's like that it's like oh look at all these tasty buckeyes and all the rest and all that i was like you know what i'm dining on

I'm down and on the resentment and you know the anger

And all that shit that you've held for a whole year. That'll keep me feeling like that. Oh, I wish I could write something like that. Yep, that's fine. Oh, you're suffering right in the past? I'll dine on that after lunch. I just leave him with that. Because I know it fucks him up. I know that he writes that shit, posts it, and he sees my response.

angry and that makes me happy that in itself it's literally i can imagine just fucking getting angry reading it and it makes me so happy throwing the Buckeyes around like that gorilla in the suitcase commercial in the 80s oh yes oh yes

And I love that. And that to me is where I exist. That's my happy place. So yes, I ate all of them last time. And Baz wants them all. He can have them all. And then next year, hopefully, we will come together in unity and share them.

I have both your addresses now. You do indeed.

you're doing the baz's like and that's that's quite good like you noticed that baz posted the thing on his facebook page you redacted it his address like it's some sort of fucking fbi case file that can't be read by anyone what that's just your fucking address come on

Oh, no, that postcard, I blacked that out because it was advertising something that I... Ah, right. Well, I thought it was... Well, Baz would have done that anyway. But I do think Baz thinks that people will start sending them like fucking, I don't know, shit in the back.

or something I don't know I'm like that no one cares but oh they might send me something in white hand if someone is taking the time on another part of the world to send you something via mail accept it even if you don't want it

Uh, just shoot me his address. Yes, Paul. I'll cut this part out. Yeah, you cut whatever you want. Right, do you want to continue?

geared up i will talk politics i will talk dead zone i'll talk whatever you den wilson this is your show

Hey, you know, I put the conversation together and let the tape roll. So wherever you guys want to take it, I am down. We have said dead zone at least once. So that counts.

Judges? Yep. Ding! Alright. It is a Dead Zone episode. Yeah. I fucking love this movie. We discussed this just...

Just over a year ago, it'll be a year and a half ago, that we did this as part of... Was it Cronenbergapalooza? I couldn't remember if it was the Cronenberg one or you did a separate one. Yeah, you did a separate one after the Cronenberg thing.

And even then, I think the reason I got you on to do it at that point is because we did the big Cronenberg roundtable and we kind of rushed through the dead zone and you were like, this is a movie I could talk a whole lot.

more about and i was like right cool so when it came to the stephen king adaptations i was like well the dead zone is definitely in the top 10 of that and then i was like yes and we we had a good conversation about this and once again this was pre-trump

He was running. You guys were mentioning him. Cause I remember that's when I was like,

I'm going to see if I ever do dead zone on my show. Cause I'd already started thinking about, thinking about it. Cause I, I started the show officially a couple of months before the elections when I told everybody about it. But, um, I was like, I.

need to try to get one or both of these guys if i ever do dead zone about how we're prophetic that we have eerie powers i think at that point neither one of us believed that trump so

Oh, of course not. He had talked about grim people by the pussy. I don't even think that had come out yet. I don't think that by the pussy had even come out. I think that at that point we were still talking about he's talking about a wall in Make America Great Again. Right.

And also he's Donald Trump, who throughout the 80s was a joke. Trump states. His catchphrase is, you're fired. He does this weird thing when he does this kind of circle wheeze.

Four finger and his thumb when he's talking it's like an okay signal when he talks and it seems to use the word like greatest great bestest biggest and he also said China China China China

China. China. China.

i think that was in the i think that was in a summer and then i think grabbing by the pussy was like the month before the election it was yeah because that was gonna bury him yeah um

yeah it was months before that but yeah like i did i tell you the story about seeing this in the theater near here you told me but you should probably reiterate it all in here all right so a friend of mine and i uh we're going to see

the dead zone which was here at the local horror movie theater uh which like every weekend plays a double bill friday and saturday nights of something and i hadn't really gone uh because it seemed kind of low rent

and i was like and i don't want to end up in like the back of somebody's you know smoke shop vape shop uh where he's like hey i got a projector we're gonna watch a dvd um So, we go to the movie, and sure enough, like...

I don't know how, however long it takes for Christopher Walken to start wiping the condensation off the windshield. The fucking stars logo pops up in the bottom right of the screen.

It's like, alright, yeah, that feels right. Oh, God. It looked mostly like a theater.

Do you remember everything that happened to you that evening? Are there dead zones in your memory? No, no. We had a bad Uber driver, but we were not struck by a milk truck.

you know god did not throw a truck at us um real sport oh man i fucking love all right for one second let's talk about this movie and in particular

how amazing christopher walken is it's probably his best role it's probably his best role and i'm including the deer hunter yeah like i think this is better

Yeah, I think this is his best performance. As an actor, and I love him as the kind of quirky, weird thing. And I love him in so many different incarnations of Christopher Walken, which is essentially Christopher Walken.

You know, he's like Sean Connery that way, he's always Christopher Walken. And it's just because he's so unique in not only his voice, but just the way he acts. I think this is...

I think you get the full range of what this guy can do as an actor in this movie. And I don't think he can boast a performance as strong in any other movie. I would not argue against that. And I don't know any other movie.

that he was in where he starts out reading the raven like christopher walken reads the raven and the raven never flitting still is sitting still is sitting on the pallid bust of palace just above my chamber door

And his eyes have all the seeming of a demon's that is dreaming. And the lamplight o'er him streaming throws his shadow on the floor. And my soul, from out that shadow that lies floating on the floor, shall be lifted.

Nevermore. Pretty good, huh? My favorite bit in that whole scene is when he's assigning them the Legend of Sleepy Hollow.

And when he says, like, it's about a headless horseman who kills a teacher. You're going to love it. Okay.

I want you to read The Legend of Sneakley Hollow. You're gonna like it. It's about a schoolteacher who gets chased by a headless demon. It's so fucking good, man. It's about a headless Osman. Gotta kill your teacher.

Gotta love it. It's gotta be great. Yeah, he's so amazing in the role. Like, all through the movie, whether it's the scenes up front where he, you know...

uh is giving her the like i'm gonna marry you you know and i'm like bought in because i'm a big sap i'm like you sure are johnny such a fucking i am i'm fucking let me tell you about a star trek episode that recently

brought me down um are you still doing that star trek in 30 hours thing or whatever uh in 40 hours yeah yeah yeah i'm not all the way through it yet he's been fucking crying

man that that episode fucking ruined me lol was i was into it i was like lol i was like does she appear because i again i haven't seen a lot of next generation so i'm like well is she just around on the show now and because i didn't know and fucking no uh i was like is this gun lol um

But yeah, like all through the movie, like the scene when he wakes up from the coma and is given the, how long? No bandages. You're right. How come?

yeah oh it's so fucking good and across the board all the acting's great in this movie i think it's i think this movie benefits from having just great fucking

Great casting. We spoke about this before. I think Brooke Adams is great. I think Tom Skerritt is awesome. My man, Tom Skerritt always holding it down. I think Herbert Long is an actor that I have adored since...

my youth and watching, like, the Pink Panther films at, like, fucking age six. I would kill the son of a bitch.

I think he's fucking awesome I think Martin Sheen plays to perfection this idea of this fucking fanatical you know

on some level moralistic, even though the morals are weirdly corrupt. Well, it's that super populist, like, you know, what are you doing down here when you ought to be at work? You know, you're out of a job. You lost hope.

Climbs out of his limousine and puts on a hard hat. Yeah. Oh, it's sunny.

i think it's just i think i think the cast is just great and then i love the way the story unfolds i think we've spoken about this before if you are a fan of cronenberg which i know i am

I think it's safe to say Boaz. All fans here. Sorry, my dog is freaking the f- I love it, the dogs are that. I'm also a fan of Kronenberg. Right, he's like, I dig body horror.

I guess. Gore. She's a pit mix. She likes gore and cuddles. There we go. But when you've got... Cronenberg...

as a director has a very unique visual style and a very unique way of telling stories which have been emulate by many directors and we've said this many times like the dead zone is weird and that it feels like one of

the most authentic stephen king adaptations but at the same time feels like weirdly the most un-cronenberg film that cronenberg ever made times in this movie it is 100 vintage cronenberg there is a scene with a pair of scissors in this movie which makes me cringe more than

the majority of films I've ever seen and I know it's coming and I feel myself just, even talking about it, my fingers are kind of curling up. It's a horrible, horrible Cronenberg scene, but...

This to me is the definitive proof that Cronenberg could, one, work with someone else's material, but two, could do a movie which...

felt more in a style which was not necessarily his own while still adapting it into it. And the cast of Christopher Walken, which in any other movie shouldn't work.

Christopher Walken's so weird. We've just said that it shouldn't work in this movie. Works 100%. I feel for this guy.

in this story i feel the the pain that he goes through i you know i want him to get better i feel you know emotionally destroyed when his

you know his love has moved on to somewhere else and then I kind of hope they'll connect and it looks like they might and they don't and then ultimately where he ends up after solving this crime using his power and trying to reject his power where he ends up

which is this the age-old question which everyone will ask someone at one time or another if you could stop if you could see into the future if you go into the past and stop this horrible thing for man and you had the power to do would you

and I think not only the source material but the particular form itself handles it brilliantly and it's weird that it's become this movie which is weirdly pressy and now that you're in this position where there is

uh almost kind of greg stilton-esque sort of character you and and your government just now albeit in saying that greg stilton's a better politician than donald trump much better articulate no he's an inspiring speaker yeah but like I love this idea of but I think in some level these things become

it's almost like on some level a timeless story because these things could always happen there will always be people that We think we don't trust that you should never have power and the off chance that you do receive power in any way, shape or form, ultimate power anyway, it makes us question it.

If you have that ability, if you had the chance to do something to stop it, would you do it? And it's such a simple premise. And this is Stephen King, I think.

his most one of his more interesting writing phases and uh he kind of he's not really doing the horror stuff it's kind of almost a twilight zone and the way he's writing things you know

imagine you're in a world a world where men yeah this sort of thing and it kind of works and it works brilliantly well and it answers the question it sets up which is if you knew

someone who was going to become hitler would you kill them and you know herbert lam is like you know of course i would though yes a million times yes and uh and then he does you know uh johnny does and

It is one of my favorite Stephen King novels because it's just a good story. It's really tragic.

you know the the whole love story that runs through the film is really heartbreaking like from jump there's one scene where they're kind of okay and then he gets a headache and it's kind of from there

But they keep trying. It's a lovely story in a number of ways. And his relationship with his mother.

even his father after his mother dies and all that stuff like all that that stuff is handled so well and then you layer on top you know the violins trilling and him like doing the jerk you know the wolf is on the loose um

You know, that shit, like to me, that is the most Cronenberg shit in the movie are those scenes where he's like interjected into this vision.

and yeah like especially the one on the bed where you're seeing like the goldfish bowl explode yeah oh man you like all of that

because you go through a lot of, you go through the car crash and all that, all that pain and all the rest, and you're like, oh, I don't know what kind of movie I'm watching. I don't know where we're going with this. Where's the story going? And you get that first flight proper vision.

of what he's able to do and it is yeah it's it's so jarring and it is like you say but it's so it's cronenbergian if we can use that as a like some sort of descriptive term um

It is, and I love how they escalate over time as well. He manages to harness a bit of his ability when it comes to knowing where a certain killer...

would be in an underpass and doing certain things but not being able to see their face and then all the reveal of who that killer is because the thing about this movie as well is it has like three clear chapters

In terms of how the story's told, the book's not like that as much. But the story of a guy who loves someone who's in an accident and comes out of this accident and realises that it has a gift.

that he's being cursed with or blessed with depending on which way you look at him the second one being the whole hunt for the serial killer so he's adapting and being able to use his gift

to try and track down this horrible serial killer that's happening and then the end of that and then the third one really being the introduction of the Greg Stilton character who's been in the background all the way through this

gaining more prominence and giving more importance and how we then fixate on this you know he's tried to relocate he's trying to kind of set his life up but in this chance encounter by touching greg stutton sees this

version of the future which is tantamount to fucking horrifying about this you know kind of religious not and it's not to be disrespectful but you know he is so kind of fundamental christian you know

that, you know, this idea of cleansing the world of the bad and let them fly and amen and all this shit. This is not necessary, Mr. President. We have a diplomatic solution. Mr. Vice President, Mr. Secretary, the missiles are flying.

hallelujah yeah did you guys read the book i've read the book yes all right so like the introduction to his character is when he's a bible salesman

And he kicks a dog to death. And he maces it too, doesn't he? Yeah, I think so. But he definitely kicks it to death. That's the thing that sticks out. Yeah. In my mind. King got so much hate mail over that.

I'm going to say that King probably didn't get as much hate mail when Cujol was fucking mauling to death people, so it's weird how that works. Yeah, it's fucking St. Bernardism.

Yeah, like...

What I love about this movie is, like, see, you read that book, you know from the introduction of Greg Stilton, really, that he's a fucking horrible guy, and this guy should never hold any sort of power, because look what he does, just as someone that has very little power.

What I love about the movie is that our introduction to him is really someone who is doing the campaign thing meets Christopher Walken earlier on.

Like slaps a button in his hand. Yeah, it's like literally like... what every fucking politician does it's like rubbing shoulders with people networking you know getting your attention all the rest and you think he this guy's like he's a bit smarmy but he's still

still feels like a decent person and it's not until that moment when he actually has that flash forward to the future that you know well this guy needs to be stopped i love the way the movie handles that because i think

it fits the chronological order of how the movie works that if we're introduced to Greg Stilton as being and to be honest with you before that we've seen him shake down in fairness we see him shake down a news reporter

yeah this guy's not a nice guy but it comes later on in the story after he's existed in terms of the background and all the rest and well the scene earlier on sorry yeah well the scene with the ice is gonna break guy

uh when they're watching tv and like like he tells johnny then he's like this guy could be dangerous yeah but also he might be

successful. Yeah, but also that guy's credibility is a bit dodgy in that he was told not to let his kids play it on the ice and let them do it anyway. Now, what was he told? He was told.

the ice is gonna break perfect thank you so fucking dramatic and the frustration i think that's what walking is able to portray in a really good way in this in this movie which sticks with me more than a lot of what happens in the movie is this frustration of i know

something that I can't there's no way I can articulate over to you for you to understand the gravity of the situation and what I'm saying to you sounds crazy but I know if you do this bad things will happen and you need to trust me and people

having the normal logical reaction which is what the right that's crazy yeah that's crazy and that's what i love about that like i think there's an exacerbation

walking portrays in the movie which is just but it's one of the reasons i love his performance in this i think it's well it's on his way out of that scene like after he does the ice is gonna break uh he he says sorry about the vase

and and it's like he's too nice a guy like he's just trying to warn this guy his son is gonna die and he's like yeah sorry i had to break your vase to get your attention even the call that he has with him after the kids die and the guy just lets it and all the rest because he

and that's probably worse we spoke about this before but it's probably worse from his perspective of knowing that someone has told him not to do something and having done that and his kid survives but the other kids and other parents don't

my kids were on that beach too yeah i think that's nice um i just think that that whole section to me that kind of

I think that's where the first part, the first third of the movie with him acquiring his ability and being able to twist it and manipulate it and do all these things is really, really cool and it does set up things. I think the...

The movie hits, and whilst I love how it ends, I think the movie really hits the stride in the middle section when it's the, you know, it's hunting down the serial killer and trying to start the new life.

that he tries to do. I think that's where the story really kind of levels up. The cop serial killer who's going around murdering people in a pretty horrible way.

And the whole reveal of how that works out, I think, is wonderfully done. But ultimately, the movie paused. All these things happen. It's weird that we...

from a from a storytelling point of view a lot of these things are discounted in favor of that result there you know the last act which is this you know if you could do something to stop someone bad would you do it

and it's a quick last act too it's like 20 minutes from the time it's like you know he gets the huh

and you know it's like oh my god this dude's gonna blow up the world gonna wrap up my gun and a blanket and ride the bus and then it's over yeah no really it's like 20 minutes and he's he he talks to herbert lom he jumps on the bus

he writes the letter and then he's shooting the guy and that's it and uh but it's all great and it i mean i'm not faulting the movie for having a quick

resolution it's just like oh okay well this is the rest of the story it's kind of the anti-x files where it's like hey there's serious shit going down that i gotta take care of so i'm gonna go take care of that right now

and he does but it's also you have that moment where it's like oh did he really succeed and it's only when he touches martin sheen's hand again and and sees the suicide scene where it's like you know stilson finished and you know all that stuff and it's just like oh it's done

And you're like, oh, fuck you. This movie is so good. It's a great, I think, like, I... I think Cronenberg is, I've said it many, many times, I think he's one of the most interested and talented filmmakers, you know.

Ever. I genuinely think he's like, to me, Cronenberg. See when I'm saying Cronenberg again, there are not many directors that you're allowed to use as an unscripted term that way.

like Hitchcockian or Lynchian, these things come from a very unique storytelling point of view, a very unique eye.

and Kronberg certainly has this and when I said earlier on that the Dead Zone is weirdly

not cronenbergian for the majority of it you know he does he kind of rests on his not on his laurels but just moves into uh this is how i'm doing this movie and this is like you've got to remember as well we're coming off carry 76 The Shinens, 1980.

I think it's Dead Up 80, yeah. Yeah, 1980. So then you're jumping into the Dead Zones 83. I think Christine's either 83 or 84. I think that's 84 because Christine is...

Fucking rad. But this is the prime time for King Adaptations. You're coming off the Shining, then into the Dead Zone. Yo, when's Cat's Eye? Cat's Eye's late.

80s yeah that is that prime king yeah so we're still in the in the 80s anyway kings like is ruling the rest because you're going from the dead zone to things like pet cemetery uh you know i mean like just like fucking

You know, it's just, I mean, don't go on the road. You don't want to go down that road. Yeah. Sometimes that is better.

yep you're getting all this like so like the 80s are just like like primo king adaptations and you're getting fucking amazing you're going from kubrick to cronenberg

carpenter i'll take that yeah sounds like the next three star wars movies to me that's that is how you roll if you're stephen king who is like fucking like shit hot like he's got novels that are worth like

developing and change it you know adapting and putting in cinema and then you're having like the creme a la creme of fucking filmmakers picking that shit up oh he's got flanagan board on board now baby dude i'm down too Just whatever.

My plan, you make whatever old Stephen King movie you want. Do Salem Slot, please. What do you call it? He's doing the... Doctor Sleep. Doctor Sleep. Yeah, which is, I'm like, fucking yes, give me that. Now I want that movie, please. What do you mean you haven't filmed it?

film it now let me see it shut up and take my money um i can't wait but kings had this resurgence but in the 80s it was incredible directors and incredible

you know, source material and property, and this is what you get out of this one. This is before King really starts going all crazy with it. I don't know how to end a book, so we'll put aliens, maybe? Which he does for a thought.

a lot of what he does but it's a simple story I think it benefits it and I think if anything it almost feels like

Cronenberg shouldn't direct it, because Cronenberg's the guy that you want to go to when things get cray. Right, alright, so he pulls a belly gun out of a stomach pussy. Yep.

And then he has to load it with his penis bullets. How about that? What's David Cronenberg doing? We could use him for this. Which I think was made the year before.

Videodrome's either 81 or 82, so he comes off that and does the dead zone. He's doing a lynch. He's doing that like, hey, I'm going to jump from Eraserhead to the Elephant Man.

yeah it's it's so weird he's like you're like you've got you've got to look at it this way that cronenberg does um shivers rabid then does the brute and then does scanners fucking like literally just like this guy's fucking on fire and then get stephen king and does a movie which doesn't feel

like Cronenberg all that much. And incidentally, just to raise the fucking of David Cronenberg, the movie he does right after The Dead Zone, it takes him a couple of years to put it out, but it's just a little... You may have heard from me, you know what? It's this movie called...

called the fly which is like the guy is fucking like i can't stress how much i love david gronenberg i know it's like even his dumb ass student movies yeah

are amazing are kind of interesting yeah they're amazing they've got a visual quality about them that screams to me unique voice yeah it's weird it's weird like you see them you're like that i'd be interested to see what happened if this guy had a bit of money

you're like oh that's what happens and an editor But when you think of David Cronenberg, this is the thing that is almost the same with Carpenter to an extent and not so much with Kubrick because you could argue that...

maybe out with 2001 a space all this odyssey that the shining is the movie that defines kubrick's career because it's so you know it's the movie everyone comes you know

you don't think that like dr strange love yeah i think i think i think the shining is a bigger movie even though i i mean i'm not trying to argue with you i'm just kind of i think yeah i think don't uh you know

dr strange loves a great movie i think i think the movie that defines his career is shining weirdly i don't know and i think about the ones that are also iconic like something like like i say space odyssey or even film metal jacket i think people gravitate to

Wars of Shining purely because and I think it's purely because of Jack Nicholson I don't actually think it's because of the way he's directed I think Jack Nicholson is the linchpin that makes that movie so huge but when you remove

him from the equation there you have whether you're looking at someone like Carpenter or Cronenberg and these two auteur genre directors

When you ask people to talk about their run of movies, I always guarantee that the majority of people, if they were to list off their five movies for either director, neither Stephen King adaptation comes up, which feels criminal.

because you mentioned it yourself and i totally agree christy the dead zone are thumping great movies as a start but when it comes down to

adaptations of source work from stephen king i think they're done perfectly really well casted really well shot you know the the full scope they've run this pantheon of being able to adapt things in a really interesting way and it's weird that

people don't just default to you know cronenberg you know yeah but mention scanners let's mention videodrome let's mention the flyer dead bringers or something but let's mention the dead zone because the dead zones where it's at the dead zones

almost on some level kronenberg is most commercial and still has a scene where someone you know kills himself by self-immolation on a pair of scissors

you know i mean and that's fucking that's and that yeah and that's the end of act two yeah that's the you know that's that's it's like oh we got another level to go

Yeah, it is. It's almost like playing a computer game. You finished level two. Welcome to level three. The assassination of a would-be president. You know what I mean? It's like, this is the kind of road you run.

i just think it's a fascinating movie and i think what the older i get the more i kind of side with Bo on these things where Bo said to me even it's not even two years ago but it's in that time frame about just the dead zone being just one of the best

overall not even just king adaptations but you know what you know one of the better chronoburn movies was just like a fucking great movie and i remember being like yes i think it made i think it was maybe

eight or seven on my top 10 stephen king list and hindsight looking back to it now i think it's easily in top five if not top

three. I genuinely think watching it for this run-up, I'm like, this movie's fucking... I love this movie. I think it's incredible, and I think it's because it's just almost unique.

to king when you look at the adaptations it's the one that doesn't feel like it fits with the overall canon but clearly is king it's the one that doesn't feel like a Cronenberg movie but clearly is a Cronenberg movie and somehow those two married together make it one of the best

Well, there's a lot of uniqueness to it because it's kind of a weird King story for him at the time. It's a weird Cronenberg movie for him at the time.

it's a weird walk-in movie for him at the time because he wasn't doing a lot of starring roles and let's not underestimate underestimate how good the music is in this too um that oh man i just think it's so good like all the winter scenes where it's that kind of lullaby but kind of

down note music oh it's so good um i mean there's just nothing wrong with this movie and every time i watch it i'm like man this still holds up this movie is always good you know i think it's the staying power to the movie i think and once again we're in this situation it was weird that when

when trump got in people started like oh my god it's just like you know the dead zone and all the rest is that this is the most traction this movie has had this part of like 20 years another reason

thank trump for pushing the culture forward a little bit but all right so like i've seen this movie probably 20 times is it go ahead

I was just going to say, is anyone in that ballpark? I'm probably at least over 10. Okay. I'm closer to the 10, maybe not quite at 10. All right. All right. So well enough. I watched it twice this week.

I mean, yeah, I mean, all right. So what is like, because we're all dead zone heads is what the kids call them. Lawsuit pending against the dead heads because we want a shorter name.

Right, right. It was originally going to be Dead Zeds, but that sounded stupid anyway. Zeds made, baby. Well, bring out the gimp.

I think the game's sleeping. Well, I guess you just have to go wake him up now, won't you? What is, like, aside from all the big flashy scenes, and it's okay if that's one of them, but, like, what is the moment in the movie where you're just like...

Fucking dead zone. It depends on which mood I'm in when I'm watching it. You know, one of the times I watched it, I was thinking about the prophecy of...

a fascist ruler or whatever in america or a totalitarian ruler maybe but you know i was like oh his name's stillson it's like still nixon because the book was written in the late 70s right after that and then if i wanted to be

extra picky he crashes into a milk truck and that's what all the nazis drink but um uh driving a volkswagen now i'll never not see it

but I think you've already talked about it and I guess it's it could be considered a big moment but it's part of it's in the middle of a conversation you know where Watkins like

You've had five years. To me, it was like yesterday. Oh, that's so good. Yeah. That's real good. It sort of puts you back into a thing. And he's not, you know, he's not. Well.

She puts the moves on him first, but you know, he's not calling her. He's not trying to wreck her relationship. Any, you know, he's not actively going in. I think he's doing pretty well for the.

Time shock? He's trying to be cool, but at the same time, he's being honest with her. Yeah, oh, it's good. Yeah, I like that. I like the love story, but you don't get beat over the head with it because that's not really my type of movie.

I like that this could have been two separate movies. You know, there's the political, the Manchurian candidate parallax view part of the movie. And then before that, there's the Cronenbergian, you know.

especially watching that another small thing was when scarrett comes out and he's like oh he won't help and the the dodd's face just lights up like oh i told you he wouldn't help and he's you know just like so stoked and then

You can tell he's nervous, especially after you know how everything goes. Yeah, the second view is so much fucking better. Yeah, you know, it's like, did he wipe down the pack of cigarettes? Or is the power just not that strong?

He's visibly stiff, and he's nervous. Everywhere you look, it's covered. When you see him in the... uh raincoat do you ever do the like slick from the book like that runs through my head when i see that it's not in the movie at all no but it was so prominent in that scene where it was like

that the slickness of the raincoat it was like he could get away with it and oh it's such a creepy little villain

And that, you know, talking about the Cronenberg touches in the book, if I'm not mistaken, it's like a straight razor or something like that, that he uses to kill his victims. I think, yeah, I think that's right. Yeah. But yeah, no, it's not.

Which is the sound, I assume. When I do it later. Both filler sentences. I love both sentences to describe things.

Oh, I'm full of sounds, all right, McLeish. But, like, in answer to your question, the bit where I'm, like, every single time of this movie, I'm like, this is fucking awesome. It's when he arrives at the cop's house.

And the mother lets him in, and he's just like, you know, like, you knew that he was doing this, and he goes into the bedroom, and the bedroom is fucking weird. Oh, yeah. The cowboy wallpaper and stuff. It's so fucking weird.

The gun over the rocking chair.

the rocking horse is so like yeah the fact that he just before that like as i come back to it because i do genuinely think as one of the most i don't know there are certain things that you see in movies that you can imagine what the pain is like and that

makes you win so like if i watch a movie and someone's leg gets chopped off by a chainsaw i can't imagine what that would feel like so i'm like oh that's pretty gross all right whatever but if someone i don't know catches their

you know catches their hand on like a nail or something like a hellraiser where they catch it and i'm like that i instantly wince because i can imagine what that pain feels like and there's something about those scissors

And it makes my eyes water. Even just now, thinking about my eyes, I'm starting to water. And it went to his brain, Duncan. All the way to his brain. Yeah, it's just, it's such a brutal way in.

cronenberg knows how that's where cronenberg's like right you know everything's been interesting up to this point yeah right let me you up and he just does that one scene and it's so out of place compared to everything else that happens in the movie he just does it

and it's terrifying and just to build up the way that things play down with the mother afterwards after it bites you know

and all the rest. I think that's a bit to me where the movie just elevates to a completely different level because that's him using his power not necessarily to save someone from going through something bad but it's to solve the crime that protects people in the future.

Yeah, from all the rape murders. Yeah, it's ultimately what he does later on when it comes to Stilton's character. But, yeah.

I think that to me, when you watch this movie, I'm like, this movie is not where I thought it was going to go. Like Bo says, it finishes there and then takes you on a different journey and then finishes off in a completely different way. I think it's a really interesting way.

you know like definitive time frames on like this event that that shapes ultimately this this guy and takes him to you know even when he's at like builds up to that you know him saying it still you know you're you know it's over you're finished with that

and shout them it's just a fucking this movie's fucking bitching i might go watch it again later tonight i might watch it before i go to sleep yeah

All right, let me give you two little tidbits that every time I see it, it's like a delicate caress of my nipples. You're excited! Feel these nipples! Which is a...

Which is the name of Bo's new solo album. You can send anything you find on a beach to Dunboco. Yep. And get Bo Goes to the Beach.

featuring delicate caress of the nipples that seems better than what I said with Brian Wilson duets with so many classic characters oh that was so hard to edit anyway um

But all right, so two quick ones. One is when they're doing the press conference when it's like, hey, we got to get rid of all this, all the rumors swirling around. And there's the asshole reporter that's like.

What about this, Johnny? And he's like, what do you want to know? You want to know if you're going to die? You're going to die. I'm going to die. We're all going to die. You want to know if you're going to die tomorrow?

and then like the whole like when he's grabbing his hand and and he's like you want to talk about your sister the one who killed herself and the the reporter's like it's hey this it's okay it's all right he's like no it's not okay

it's not all right and you're just like oh he's in it he's in a trance and he's with this dude and uh they're eerie powers at work um two seconds later it goes to that i am iron man yeah

Christopher Walken as Iron Man. That's all I'm saying. Oh, fuck. Can you imagine? Fucking amazing. If you got him, like, view to a kill era, Christopher Walken as Iron Man. More power. Uh-huh.

uh the the other one and this is another kind of quiet scene but it's after tom scarrett leaves after pitching uh

you know hey why don't you come help us with this killer and johnny's like you know get the fuck out of here like i'm i'm done like all i want to do is or all i want to uh is to be left alone and um

he's talking to his dad and he's like man you know his father says i really wish your mother were here because she would know what to say uh and uh and and there's a moment where his father says uh

this doesn't bring you much happiness, does it? And it's kind of this moment where Christopher Walken looks at him and it's like, that's kind of what he needed to hear.

You know, it's like this really nice moment of bonding between he and his father. And I really like there are a couple of little acting moments in this film that are just.

amazing you know and it comes from everybody i mean walking certainly but uh i like i really like brooke adams delivery on uh uh they're all talking about you and it's like the fuck are you talking about like it's kind of the first you as the audience hear of it and anyway really oh man

She's how we got started talking about doing this episode, because she was in Invasion of the Body Snatchers that we're talking about. Man, Brooke Adams, Karen Allen. That is Bo's...

pubescence. Standing in the reeds. Oh, sure. And Karen Allen in the skirt for Balak in the tent. And it was like...

that was puberty right there. It was like, all right, I understand so many things all of a sudden. It's weird. My Duncan's adolescence was Kella LeBrock. Weird science. Oh, weird science. Oh, sure.

yeah yeah what would you little maniacs like to do first yeah yeah i can't tell you because it's illegal um

It's a man. Another movie that made today.

would be fucking run out of town on a rail. You cannot do that shit anymore. Oh, yes. Now, yeah, that would not happen. Literally, the only line that would survive from that movie is Gary's just taking a shit. That's like the only...

and uh give them the knee shooters would probably slip through i'm surprised they're remaking overboard yeah because that's a movie about kidnapping and rape

It's going to be a woman doing it to a man instead of a man doing it to a woman. Well, that's still kidnapping and rape. Yeah, hashtag me too, you know what I mean? Yeah, right. Hashtag Mulder too.

yeah yeah there's so there's some there's just yeah on brand mcleish constantly promoting well i'm down with it

It's ever expanded. 100% there all the time. The expanded Legion universe. Yeah, man.

This show is so much fun because I'm not responsible for anything. Yeah, this is true. This is true. The previous record, which...

put your listeners into perspective. If anyone ever wants to come across and listen to two guys pretend to talk about the X-Files...

Which does happen, but you have to wade through two hours of non-X-Files conversation. That is not correct. The last episode, we talked about the X-Files right off the bat for like...

two three minutes and you stopped that right away yeah did not speak about it again for an hour and a half and then came back to talk to it

Taking a count of those episodes of 42 minutes. You know what I mean? That's fucking ridiculous. We did two Twin Peaks in that time.

Yeah, two Twin Peaks and had this big conversation of where we thought the show was going. We do two Twin Peaks and go to dinner.

We're currently working our way through the X-Files at the moment. So if you get the opportunity and you're watching the X-Files, come across and listen to Duncan and Bo. Go through it. Trust me, it will reward you.

more than me finding that i could use the term to Weinstein something, which is basically when you ejaculate into a plant pot, and then Bo during his impression of being caught Weinstein-ing, which is this noise here where you get caught by something and you go, oh, oh, what?

which i think this is like this great idea of that's the universal noise you make when you're wanking at that plant pot yeah well when you get caught yeah well only when you get caught if you don't get caught everything's

and so it's got many many noises uh at the risk of swinging it back around from a distraction that i took us on in a diversion which was not married but was worth it because i plugged the show uh yeah i think in summation

I think it's a movie that certainly is now more prescient now just because of the political climate where things are, the conversation that people have.

involving your country's politics but just just in general you know if you could stop something what would you if you thought it could end up terrible but i think if you remove that i think the movie perhaps that's the the kind of

the ultimate story that a lot of people take away from it i think the movie has a good hour and what 10 minutes a run time where that is not at the forefront and deliver some great kind of you

performances I think we've said it before Christopher Walken is phenomenal in this movie and the fact that Christopher Walken wasn't even put up for like an Oscar that year is kind of criminal because he does it all in this movie and he does it well

It's just a fucking great movie. Not to Jimmy Jenkins summations. It's a deep reference on this show.

But there is a line I have to credit to Tom Skerritt.

Because anytime someone asks me, especially being in the South, you get it a fair amount more than in other parts of the country, I presume. But I still...

tom scarrett's line from this movie which is if someone says uh are you religious or asked about it i say well i'm not religious sorry to say and i like i like throwing it that way of like yeah just you know sorry no

and like it's a real i've i have found that in practical use it is very helpful so well done tom scarrett or whoever wrote that line for you

Yeah, I do not remember if that's in the book. Oh, God. Yeah, I don't remember it in that detail. Although the letter in the book is much longer. I remember that. It's a lot more like, remember that day at the park, Sarah?

And in this movie, it's like, nah, fuck that. Like, you'll never understand why I'm doing this. And it's like, right on. Okay. Yeah. I mean, your former girlfriend now has to live with the idea that she...

dated a terrorist um i don't know how you apologize for that well well i guess she hadn't had the letter yet but she does say i love you at the end

yeah that's kind of nice again i'm a sucker and uh uh the end of the book i think is what the end of the letter he writes her right yeah if i remember it's been a few years

Like she gets the letter in the epilogue. And so the epilogue is basically his letter explaining his actions or whatever. Anyway. Yeah. And I think Cronenberg said that he didn't.

he didn't feel right putting that extra bit at the ending the sort of well this you're definitely sure that she moved on and she's okay she's okay later he's liked how

It ended there on the floor. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I was just saying, yeah, that's the end of the story. And then, you know, period. Duncan. Yeah.

I got your watch. Your father's watch. Put the watch on my ass. Okay, this watch for five years on my ass. Now it's your watch. Your father's watch.

How dare you interrupt me for that impression. It's your watch. Your father's watching. I put it in the only place I knew it was safer.

On my ass, okay? Five years on my ass. That sounds like Keitel.

It could be. It could be a mixture of the two. In fairness, they're in a lot of Tarantino movies, and there's cross over there. They got in the fly machine, and it's Harvey Katalkin.

Christopher Keitel. Christopher Keitel. Christopher Keitel's pretty good. I think that might be my costume at Halloween.

Give me your watches. Get the watch in all the places I knew up my ass. That's a bit better, isn't it? I don't know. Was that Bette Midler? I don't even know what's happening. I will destroy you, Boran. Still, I will destroy you and your people.

What? And your people. All of them will pay. My people? Americans? I will. Your people won't go.

It's what happens when you sit and come out drinking.

you down. That's right, I declare war on an entire country because of a podcast misunderstanding. What if you were at Warway America? You heard me.

That is Scottish diplomacy right there. You heard me. You heard me. You didn't say anything. You just started asking me if I'd heard you.

I told you before that you heard me. It's that great Simpsons thing. Well, it's like that, yeah. By the way, don't you ever dare.

accuse me of bringing up groundskeeper willy inappropriately around you you can't do it it's like an indian man doing impressions of apu he's allowed to do that you're not allowed to do that but a white guy does apu

He's like, I know that's what's wrong with that show, right? Don't get fucking stuck on that. I think there's an indie film coming out in New York next week called The Problem with Apu.

about that. Yeah, I think that movie has been due to be released easily for the last 25 years. Like, let's go. Yeah, there's that green willy thing when he's like that, you know.

something like a dog was sick on the floor and he's like that you know I ate it and he's like that

And he's like, you heard me. So that's what I kind of love about it. It's like that, I hate it. But because he's generic Scottish American accent, it becomes, I ate it. And people are like, and he's like, you heard me.

you heard me bo does it and it's terrible like bo does it and it's like some weird kind of cross between an Irishman an Englishman and a Scotsman which feels like the basis for a joke On that, we...

Agree that America surrenders to Scotland in the war and you take us back. And you can put Trump in the Tower of London. He would like that. He would be up above everybody.

And then he wouldn't even be in Scotland. And I think, do you agree to these terms? Yeah, I'm good.

You asking, Duncan? Well, I need to ask you, too. We need at least two American votes to change the leader. I'm officially not in any compass mental state to agree to anything to be legally binding. So I can say yes, but it doesn't hold anymore.

I don't really understand what he's saying. I assume he agrees to our terms. It's because I started breaking out legal Latin terms and Bo at that point does not have any...

It's been a while since we really bring out that I don't understand what Duncan's saying towel.

We should probably bring that back soon. Yeah, in fairness, Bo has been fairly kind in understanding things I've said of late.

I haven't used terms like garbage. I wasn't garbage truck or bin lorry to confuse him. You know, try to correct his language or his spelling, which I'll work on. X's instead of Z's.

Use where there needs to be them and not remove them. It's like pavement instead of sidewalk, which is just silly. All I'll say is that one country won its war for independence. The other...

is a brexit country this is true and while you sit down and watch your large tv today just remember it was a scott that invented that when you go use the phone a large television

We invented the whole fucking thing. Oh, all right. I thought you just meant like, hey, what if we make this bigger? Yeah, penicillin, which I know you have to pay for through your insurance, but we invented that.

as well and also you're you know this little thing that you have this thing where you like oh we've got all these amendments you know declaration of independence and all that um

You know what, this is this great piece of work. Oh, this experiment in government or whatever you like to call the nonsense that you have in your country. I've heard of it. There's a map to the secret Masonic treasure on the back of it.

According to Nicholas Cage, according to Nicholas Cage, face off, face off. But yeah, there was a country that did it maybe 250 years before you'd have the first recorded one like that, and that was Scotland as well, so suck my dick.

I would, but the queen won't let me. We existed. We existed before you. We'll be here long after you. Yeah, well, you're probably right about that. Yeah, that's just due to massive amounts of inbreeding.

It's like cockroaches, Skodas in Scottsville that survives a nuclear war.

Yeah, it's like HP in Lovecraft's The Lurking Fear! As he told you, every now and again he will spring into what kinda sounds like Scottish but isn't quite.

i try i'm not if he just put more i mean i leave it on the field if that's what you're saying

I put it all out in the field, Duncan. All out in the field. I give up my all. I leave these podcasts sweaty and drained.

This has been awesome. Thank you very much for inviting me on. Yeah, thanks both of you for coming back. I hope we can do this again, singularly or together. This was a blast. Yeah, singularly, because I don't like...

bow anytime anytime man i love coming on this show and whether it's shooting shit about politics make me question

nature of where you are just now, from an outsider's point of view, or whether it's talking about fucking bitching movies like this, I will come on any time, but yeah, Meanbow should, trust me, Meanbow have an arsenal of movies that we...

are no longer allowed to discuss because we're talking about tv shows for the next 20 years and if we have an avenue to come on here and discuss movies i dare say speaking for bo even though you'll deny it afterwards we'd love to

We could do like Duncan and Bo go to the psychosomatic podcast. That sounds like a thing. Perfect. Totally. So the first, instead of like the first hour and a half.

We talked about politics here. The first hour and a half has been both talking about Role Watch, what we didn't like. All right. Now that you've had us both on the show, we're changing your format.

So America and Scotland teamed up against other America. Oh yeah. I'm a real turncoat. Like I'll, if Scotland looks like they're going to win, I'm on board.

I do like Nicola Sturgeon, yeah. Yep, you'll do it in a second. Yeah, in a heartbeat. You never trust Bo. No, uh, path of least resistance. That's... That's where you'll find me.

Well, that's the bonus of not really having much of a format. It's fluid. It's a free-flowing currency, like Sarah Huckabee Sanders likes to talk about.

It sounds disgusting. Yeah. Maybe we will stricken her from the record. We'll strike her from the record. That's the word. Yeah. Stricken her from the...

The record for sure. We're stricken with her right now. We're stricken nicken? What? The smitten kitten. Oh, the smitten kitten.

See, that's all you gotta do. You can plug a nickel into that monkey anytime. But before we go... uh you guys need to he's just kicking us off now well as long as i get this we can go on afterwards and we're yeah we'll be doing this whether you're here

or not but i need to get you guys plugging your awesome shows that are on the wonderful legion podcasts network of which i am happily a part and participant

I don't know which one of you, Bo, you lost the coin toss. So, Duncan, which one of you goes first? Bo, because Bo's in charge. Yeah, of course. Legion Podcasts.

is where you can find everything. My own shows are all monthly, so I can do something different every week. I'm selfish.

uh but it's a horror hangover which is kind of a deep dive into a weird and or uh interesting film uh there's the here or go show uh which has just added a new segment called the zilla zone Where, as I do those episodes, we check in with our pal Godzilla.

uh in chronological order through the at least through the showa films and we'll see what happens um most recently godzilla raids again uh which is the most accurate title of any movie ever where Godzilla just shows back up only this time he's got a pal um

Shit, what else? The Shotcast, which is a biweekly video game podcast. And then Duncan and Bo go to whatever. Currently, The X-Files.

uh which is weekly and what am i am i leaving something out duncan i'm looking over my shoulder i think you've covered all that okay

I was looking at my dry erase board where I have all the shit I'm doing. I'm like, well, what am I doing? Okay. Yeah, that's it. Sorry, Duncan. What about you, DMACC? Yeah.

I'm pushing that a little bit. Yeah. I thought it like a like crisscross featuring D-Mac.

DMACC sounds like the Scottish version of DMX.

Well, I'm right. Yep, this is like the Scottish rap equivalent. Yeah, so like Bo said, Duncan and Bo got the X-Files currently running. There are...

seven episodes, six, seven episodes left of that show because we're doing weekly reviews of the current season of the X-Files. Memo to Chris Carter, please stop and let it die, please. It's so fucking bad.

Take this hound out back. My show, Podcast Under the Stairs, which is...

weekly but most of the time now it's two episodes a week I don't know why I've upped that and I don't know how to stop it so at this stage I'm just going to keep going this coming well it depends when this episode drops but I advocate everyone checks out the episode

be dropped at the end of january which is baz the horror baz takes on the masters of horror uh taking on stuart gordon's reanimator from beyond the funniest shit you'll hear recorded ever i cannot wait

Oh man, you're not ready. No one's ready for it. It's going to destroy you. And I can't wait for it to destroy everyone. Because I want that to happen. But yeah, thank you once again for having me on. Always a pleasure chatting to Bo. I did.

Did you guys feel like you got to say everything about the dead zone that you may have avoided or forgotten about the last time you talked about it? No, I think...

It's weird because we had this huge exhaustive conversation about it before and I think what came away from it was that I felt personally my previous review didn't stress how much I actually really enjoy the movie as a movie without trying to pick it apart.

and psychoanalyse it within an inch of its life. I just think as a movie, it flows really, really well. I think it's just, it's one of these rare occasions where you get a Stephen King adaptation, which is held by a great director with a great cast.

and a story which kind of, the weird thing about the movie is it kind of feels timeless.

I think that's why it's become more, not just the Trump thing and all the rest, but why it's kind of popped itself back up. Because the story itself feels kind of timeless. These questions are always asked to people whenever, you know, would you do something to prevent something from happening?

etc etc and yeah i think i think it's that it's one of these weird examples of a movie that it doesn't feel like the director's voice but very much when you're watching it feels like it's a weird

kind of juxtaposition all these different things so yeah whilst i didn't go into specific detail or anything like that i enjoyed discussing it on this show i think i think it lends itself to i mean i'm glad i waited a year before i did it and uh

I've got a couple ideas of movies that I'll shoot to you guys a little bit later. I'm going to have a couple of the more heavy hitters this year.

act of killing they hear that boy he's gonna have us on for the act of killing nice nice i've got the blu-ray how about we do call me lucky oh god

See? All I gotta do is say the words and it's like, that movie's so fucking good. So good. Yeah. It is probably the best thing Bobcat Goldthwait will ever do. Yeah.

because it's that good yeah what is it it says i'm a communist with aids and a bite yeah tattoo that on me oh so

So good. And I think the first Bobcat Goldthwait movie I ever saw was Shakes the Clown that I was aware of. Yeah. Oh, sure. And at the time, like...

It made me less likely to see his next movie because I really wasn't crazy about Shakes the Clown, but I've kind of liked everything but that. Oh, okay.

It made me more anxious because I was a fan, but I grew up next door to a married couple that were clowns. So I've kind of had a weird interest in clown movies, clown culture. Yeah.

biased towards clowns I get it but like have you seen Sleeping Dogs Lie no not yet that's a really interesting movie

And, of course, World's Greatest Dad. Yeah, of course. World's Greatest Dad. And I liked, what was it, Willow Creek? Was that him? I liked that quite a bit. Willow Creek is a great movie. Yeah.

uh world's greatest dad was the one though that was like well shit he's he's kind of kicking it up a notch yeah and then when i saw uh call me lucky even though it's a documentary it's so well put together it's man oh fuck that movie

We've talked about such good films tonight. And what I really want to do is go watch Mom and Dad because I still haven't seen that yet.

oh you must see what i really want to do is go watch we just experiment five which is what i expect no come on man i'm on i'm on my time now this isn't some bullshit on at work where i'm like where i'm like oh that's not very good um yeah go and watch mom and dad it's fucking awesome yeah yeah

I've been kind of saving it and I've been doing marathon shows lately like a madman. That's what they call them. Madman Bo is what they call them. They call me Madman Bo.

Look at Madman Bo, he's at that again. Can anyone stop him? No, he's mad. I spend the platters that matters, baby.

usually talks this is all going weird well i was doing wolfman oh no i love it it's great keep doing it the wolfman jack have you spoken your piece about the dead zone mr bow i'm like Duncan I did not come here with some kind of sneaky agenda to correct past mistakes.

half a jaw bow strikes again But, uh, no, I actually, I, yeah, I kind of, I kind of wanted to point out like the little moments in this movie that I think every, like everybody's got that favorite scene in the dead zone, but kind of everyone's is different.

and and i think that speaks to the quality of the film is that there's so much good stuff that everyone is like you know what i like i like the goldfish bowl and they're like fuck you what about like right like what about the gazebo funny word isn't it um you know like all that stuff it's just like

it is such a a great film because the moment to moment of the movie is always good and and that's almost underselling it like it's all good and such a large portion of the moment to moment is great

and uh it's a movie i can watch all the time and have you know clearly i have seen this movie uh not quite once a year on average of my life but pretty close and

And that's in something. Hell yeah. Well, thanks again, guys. And I think we did a good job connecting three different time zones for this.

Yeah, thanks so much, man. No bullshit. Thank you so, so much.

for everything you have done for the Duncan and Bo stuff, like all the, the art stuff you've done. I know I always say it, but I can't ever say thanks enough. It, I love it all.

I appreciate you taking the time to do it. And it, it just means the world. So thanks very much. Oh, I'm, I'm just glad you guys like it. I, uh, I think you could go a bit minor on board. That's my way.

well now i've got you've you've put you've publicly put your visage on the internet and you have declined it's only it's only taken him like 10 years or some shit like that you have declined

to be kept in witness protection. Right. Well, it expired. The guy's dead now. So I'm good.

People were getting confused. Apparently Bo is not the front cover of a novel and or a caterpuppy. Weirdly, weirdly enough. The caterpuppy is pretty close.

it's pretty yeah it's uncanny it's the ears they're both floppy and slimy

the podcast equivalent of a congratulating a circle jerk here. Oh, well, if it's going to be that kind of party. Sip. Oh, Mr. Data.

like congratulations on one making it to a year there that's that's like no mean feat when it comes to podcasts but

once again it's great having your legion podcasts network i think your show is one of the reasons that the network kicks ass and that is lots of really cool ideas from really interesting people that are pushing

the standards, the boundaries and the conversations and podcasts all within one home but delivering different facets and different ideas and things like that. I think we are only emboldened and made better by your presence on the network.

...infinitely better than what Bo said. It took me half the time. It took me half the time. So there you go.

your flattery will get you everywhere sir that's what i like to hear that's what i like to hear right let's get off the sky yeah let's suck each other off yeah bell knobs and broomsticks isn't that the disney movie

right what that's what i said yep i thought you said bell bell bell knobs and bruce yeah belt buckles and broom handles

That's a different movie. That reminds me of my childhood. Black Yukon sucker punch. Justin, anything you kept from Netflix.

The Dunboco. That's all. That's all you said. Anything you reported lost, wink wink. Anything else that comes along with that that we didn't ask for gets sent back at your expense.

C-O-D. In fairness, we've asked for enough at this point. As long as you mark it found at bus station, you're pretty much good.

I've had to buy a warehouse to store it all. And the people... Yeah. The people that got sent in are not pleased. But we've got to keep them until we know the tax situation.

Until we can write our office a deductible. But until then, thanks a lot, guys, for coming on. Thanks, everybody, for listening.

And don't forget to duck and cover. Bye. Bye. Duck and cover. Duck and cover.

This is all going on record.